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BLACK TOM ???

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magoo83magoo83    969 posts
edited November -1 Breeding
any thoughts on black Tom as a stallion??
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    No idea.

    I do remember him as a very free-actioned horse, lovely loose-limbed. If that's what makes a good sire . . . then yeah.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Had brilliance, longevity and performed in local conditions - they're all pluses
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    He was very clean-winded too and very well natured for a colt/stallion
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  • magoo83magoo83    969 posts
    Was thinking of sending my mare to him just for something different. Not sure if he's been given much of a chance so far.
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  • coastalchillcoastalchill    126 posts
    No offence to your mare,I have no idea what her form is etc.but if anyone really likes him put a mare to him that isn't "a throw away mare"they won't all end up being Mr Moet.I know it's a numbers game but if Black Tom is going to survive as a stallion he's going to need a little help.Unless of course he is one of those freaky stallions that can upgrade any mare. :wink:
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts
    What was the racing name of your mare & just to be sure, can I have her Sire as well ? I will let you know what that cross has produced previously in the last 20 years, then at least you are making a decison that is in addition to the racing performance of Black Tom.
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  • magoo83magoo83    969 posts
    We recently aquired her she was quite handy, winning 9 races ran 5th in a bunbury cup, she is by jungle hero, name is Jangala
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Nice mare !

    Best of luck matching that up though Damo............ ;)
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts
    said:

    Nice mare !

    Best of luck matching that up though Damo............ ;)

    will have something in a few minutes, but you are right, this is difficult but I think I have struck gold
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  • magoo83magoo83    969 posts
    I thought so :wink:
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts
    Going to Black Tom is almost like trying to swim upstream with this mare. In real terms, nobody has successfully bred to this line in terms of black type success.

    However at Rivercrest Park you will also find Kendel Star (Kenmare), and crossing a Jevington mare coupled with an influence of Martello Towers, you get a strong WA black type line through Avenida Madeiro, Grasspatch Girl, Glory Hunter, Kenysl Bay, and Sheenasaidgray. This cross is punching at times 12 times the expected rate, but the sample pool is relatively small being just WA based.

    Outside of this I would make a selection based purely on geography, type, conformation, and price. Best of luck, let me know if I can assist further.

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  • magoo83magoo83    969 posts
    Cheers for that, will look into it :D
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  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    Black Tom is throwing some great types.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts
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    Black Tom is throwing some great types.

    Langfuhr had 9 SW in Australia, with Black Tom being one of the better ones. But he had 68 SW worldwide, so he has the credentials required for success. I think he will be a good fit for many of the broodmares here in WA, including daughters and grand daughters of Scenic, Danehill, Haulpak, and Biscay.

    Steve Hoare at Rivercrest Park, has been raving about the Black Tom's everytime I have spoken to him about the farm. So hopefully he can throw some nice types that will run as 3yo's.
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  • meatpiemeatpie    606 posts
    said:

    said:

    Black Tom is throwing some great types.

    Langfuhr had 9 SW in Australia, with Black Tom being one of the better ones. But he had 68 SW worldwide, so he has the credentials required for success. I think he will be a good fit for many of the broodmares here in WA, including daughters and grand daughters of Scenic, Danehill, Haulpak, and Biscay.Steve Hoare at Rivercrest Park, has been raving about the Black Tom's everytime I have spoken to him about the farm. So hopefully he can throw some nice types that will run as 3yo's.
    What stallions wouldnt!!!!!!!!.

    Nicks and crosses are overated
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts
    said:

    said:

    said:

    Black Tom is throwing some great types.

    Langfuhr had 9 SW in Australia, with Black Tom being one of the better ones. But he had 68 SW worldwide, so he has the credentials required for success. I think he will be a good fit for many of the broodmares here in WA, including daughters and grand daughters of Scenic, Danehill, Haulpak, and Biscay.Steve Hoare at Rivercrest Park, has been raving about the Black Tom's everytime I have spoken to him about the farm. So hopefully he can throw some nice types that will run as 3yo's.
    What stallions wouldnt!!!!!!!!.

    Nicks and crosses are overated
    Which Stallions wouldn't ? Any Son or Grandson of Danehill if you sent a Danehill line mare to them.
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  • ChristopherWildeChristopherWilde    21 posts
    I could not agree with the creditability, try to partner more along the business of this expensive alternative providing the opening bid works within your personality

    http://www.tmpc.com.au/index.html
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  • ColonelKurtzColonelKurtz    49 posts
    Black Tom! Are you guys crazy. He got beaten in a maiden at Pinjarra by Thermo King! Send him up here to me in Vietnam, my water buffalo needs a spell & I've got rice paddies that need ploughing. Black Tom, ha, you guys .
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  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    Thanks for the encouragement Colonel still there are no rules at times wouldnt surprise me at all if he threw a couple of descent horses finding those few is the hard thing.
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  • ColonelKurtzColonelKurtz    49 posts
    That's what happens to a man after a while up here. You get mean, real mean. :twisted:
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  • ShergarShergar    43 posts
    You might want to be careful with that mare. The family has a history of producing bleeders. Make sure you are not crossing to other lines with similar issues.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts
    How many people on this thread have multiple log ins ?
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  • silkssilks    53 posts
    Hi to all you breeders any suggestions for a mare Montana's Secret i am just running out of time and she needs a stallion I went to a workshop with G1 goldmine but its so confusing
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  • jesteressjesteress    103 posts
    Thought there was only small amount of evidence bleeding is hereditary?
    BT might fix it anyway but prob only a breed to race option at this stage
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts
    Silks, I have matched your mare to every significant family of Stallions standing in WA and am happy to provide you with the results. I'm pretty sure we spoke at the G1 evenings. I will post it here a bit later this evening but for now I am going to walk the dog in the rain. Damien
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts


    My response is too long, so I have saved it and can send it to your email if you wish.





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  • DustyDusty    69 posts
    Would Black Tom have 2yr olds by now?
    I'd like to see some pictures of his off spring because I've only ever heard really good things.
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  • silkssilks    53 posts
    That would be great if u could damien
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    7,984 posts
    send me an email to [email protected] and I will send you back the assessment
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  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    I think they are at least 3yo now maybe older. Which would be disappointing because where  are they? I for one keep waiting to see one produced to get an idea of their type, which ive heard is good. But surely the best form of advertisement is to get them out there!
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