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  • bartfargbartfarg    667 posts
    leave it alone fella's ...your making me sick :roll:
  • scenic3scenic3    144 posts
    Top ten

    Bletchley Park - From one of the best families in the Stud Book/Proven
    Oratorio - another Mungrup success story
    Due Sasso - scenic speedster like Scenic Winner of the Dewhurst
    Balmont - Great type Typical European style Stravinsky
    Flying Pegasus - australian bred sprinting powerhouse (Mr P * Danehill)
    Saxon - Produce nice leggy staying types who can run over a mile
    Husson Lightning- 1000m rabbits good for running around tight circuits
    Shrewd Rythm - Regally bred ? by Danehill's only successful sire producer
    Bearcat - Catbird and Danbirds full brother, early speedy types 1600m max - will his fillies be better than the males?
    Foxhound - Proven stallion in many countries - great producer.
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    Top ten

    Bletchley Park - From one of the best families in the Stud Book/Proven
    Oratorio - another Mungrup success story
    Due Sasso - scenic speedster like Scenic Winner of the Dewhurst
    Balmont - Great type Typical European style Stravinsky
    Flying Pegasus - australian bred sprinting powerhouse (Mr P * Danehill)
    Saxon - Produce nice leggy staying types who can run over a mile
    Husson Lightning- 1000m rabbits good for running around tight circuits
    Shrewd Rythm - Regally bred ? by Danehill's only successful sire producer
    Bearcat - Catbird and Danbirds full brother, early speedy types 1600m max - will his fillies be better than the males?
    Foxhound - Proven stallion in many countries - great producer.

    No room for Blackfriars or Viscount? :shock:
    I guess it's all a matter of opinion, but my top 10 would be;
    Oratorio - has surprised me. I wasn't a fan of him on the track but a great pedigree.
    Viscount
    Blackfriars
    Bearcat
    Due Sasso - pick of this years first crop sires imo
    Bletchley Park - proven, can't leave out
    Vital Equine - reckon he will prove himself
    Fath - has good results in Europe
    Passenger - will be interested to see his first crop
    Toss-up between Trade Fair, Danehill Express & Balmont. Might have to make it a top 12 :P
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    In a top 10 list I couldn't have any Sire not to have produced a second crop racing. In my opinion anything earlier than that is just that, opinion.

    So as much as I like Bearcats, I couldnt put him in a list this year. Perhaps at the end of the next racing season when he is a little more proven. So discounting all of the first and second season sires, my WA based active list would look something like this:

    Oratorio
    Bletchley Park
    Blackfriars
    Viscount
    Hurricane Sky
    Key Business
    Akhenaton
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    edited February 2010
    If I was to predict who might have success then I would say:

    Bearcat
    Cape North
    Due Sasso
    Trade Fair

    And of those not yet presented at sales:

    Vital Equine
    Fath
    Passenger
    So Secret

    Danehill Express
  • Tete,
    Akhenaton and Cape North surely you jest.

    Didn't Trade Fair's go through last years sale ?
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    I thought Trade Fair and Fath have both had multiple winners and are proving themselves well in Europe.

    Yes Trade Fair had his 1st oz crop go thru last year, but then got caught up in quarantine due to EI, hence none at this years sale.

    Akhenaton, well no surprise that one came out! :P
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    Tete,
    Akhenaton and Cape North surely you jest.

    Didn't Trade Fair's go through last years sale ?

    your too good for me, yep Trade Fair should be on the other list
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    I thought Trade Fair and Fath have both had multiple winners and are proving themselves well in Europe.

    Yes Trade Fair had his 1st oz crop go thru last year, but then got caught up in quarantine due to EI, hence none at this years sale.

    Akhenaton, well no surprise that one came out! :P

    well I did own a nice one, and we have another filly coming along, but I tried to be a little impartial. He does throw up the odd Saturday winner and does get a reasonable midweek and country horse. People just got to be patient
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    Tete,
    Akhenaton and Cape North surely you jest.

    Didn't Trade Fair's go through last years sale ?

    WA Sires only were on the list. Cape North would not have been a consideration of mine, but I like how his babies look, from what I have seen so far. He has been very well patronised by breeders so he will get a lot of chances to show something.

    124 fans and counting on facebook, of which I see a familiar smiling face, so Akhenaton does have some followers out there Wilson, even if some are hiding in the cupboard. LOL
  • Hold on, i'm just on there to support an old friend :lol:
  • TucoolTucool    174 posts
    This thread has been good reading.... I'm a little hesitant to coment on individual horses because of the public forum bit.... alot that has been spoken about progeny is very true .... Remember the best three things about a racehorse is Temperament ,temperament,temperament.... everything else just falls into place...let the arguments begin :lol:
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    said:

    This thread has been good reading.... I'm a little hesitant to coment on individual horses because of the public forum bit.... alot that has been spoken about progeny is very true .... Remember the best three things about a racehorse is Temperament ,temperament,temperament.... everything else just falls into place...let the arguments begin :lol:

    whilst I agree, I would say athlete ability is upper most, conformation, breeding, temperment would be what I look for in a yearling.
  • Bart Cummings book is worth a read - talks a great deal about finding the horse who can win at the races

    he never looks for the perfectly conformed horse
  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Brilliance and toughness for me
  • SprintcarSprintcar    99 posts
    Speed Speed Speed!
  • scenic3scenic3    144 posts
    Pedigree - Do yourself a favour and go for stallions by noted sires who have produced other stallions here and maybe overseas
    Example Fighting Falcon -
    Sire Manila - the Lyphard strain isnt noted for being a sire of sires
    Dam Sire - Bold Forbes a second rate descendent of Bold Ruler?
    Grand Dam Sire - Levee Dancer - an unproven son of Native Dancer

    Type - Magnificent Athletic type, great topline, great temperament,not too heavy, he won several nice races.


    Conformation
    - he wore a tongue tie in all his race starts does this impose a question he could have had a breathing problem? Was he choking down in his races? Or do the Americans put them on all their horses?

    If you see stallions paddling away in front or have major leg deformaties such as behind the knee, whats the chance of throwing the genetic default into my horse

    Apart from the tongue tie, a magnificent individual with a weak pedigree with no strengths who failed as a stallion here.

    TYPE, CONFORMATION AND PEDIGREE
  • TucoolTucool    174 posts
    Some good replies there..... No good having speed if it has shook and shivered and lost litres of sweat getting to the course etc...

    you also can have the best type in the world but if it's not interested in what it's bred to do you have no hope eg. I've had ones that when I pick up the halter they stand at the gate saying pick me and others that say oh no not again... I'm not trying to stir things up at all , just playing devils advocate :) I think most here would have a clue , but you would be surprised at the amount of people that think their horses are robots.
  • said:

    said:

    This thread has been good reading.... I'm a little hesitant to coment on individual horses because of the public forum bit.... alot that has been spoken about progeny is very true .... Remember the best three things about a racehorse is Temperament ,temperament,temperament.... everything else just falls into place...let the arguments begin :lol:

    whilst I agree, I would say athlete ability is upper most, conformation, breeding, temperment would be what I look for in a yearling.
    You left out 'cheap' my old mate :lol:
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    said:

    said:


    whilst I agree, I would say athlete ability is upper most, conformation, breeding, temperment would be what I look for in a yearling.

    You left out 'cheap' my old mate :lol:
    The most important criteria of the lot :wink:
  • scenic3scenic3    144 posts
    Cheapies you can breed them however can you buy them?

    I bred a horse Thermo King for $1500.00 + Gst, he returned $134,000, now thats cheap.

    You could never have sold him he was as big as a grass hopper when he was 2yo, he disguise was that he was inbred to great mares and carried many different strains of Star Kingdom including that stallion Old Spice which as definition sees it has to be the most successful stallion ever to stand in WA in the last century - Thanks to Mr Peters and the late Mr Spencer for his success.

    When you think Cheap you must think clever to achieve your ultimate success
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Thermo King was bred by the Taylor Racing Syndicate, according to the Stud Book.

    I didn't think that was you
  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    You can buy them a lot cheaper than you can breed them :P
    And without the risk of the mare slipping, poor conformation or killing themselves in the first 18 months
  • HenleyBrookHenleyBrook    408 posts
    Thermo King will go down as one of WA's greatest cats. Perhaps Della can start a Cat Files Hall of fame?

    neverless, any horse that can win over $100k is a beauty.
  • scenic3scenic3    144 posts
    I sold out of him after he won at Belmont on Saturday by 5 lengths, for some cash and fence posts.

    And yes Tete my name doenst appear on Big Ted's document of breeding description however when the owner bought the mare from Cliffy Brown's father in Melbourne and asked me what the best stallion was going around I recommended Marooned.

    Does that make me an advisor? or a great breeder of bloodstock at the age of 18 years old,

    I think one of the owners of that great My Atacanta achieved success when Toxic saluted Yes!

    Ankle deep maybe, however theres nothing better seeing a horse like Thermo King licka of Whiskets salute on Saturday in Metro class as the first ever horse you have bred.
  • TucoolTucool    174 posts
    said:

    You can buy them a lot cheaper than you can breed them :P
    And without the risk of the mare slipping, poor conformation or killing themselves in the first 18 months

    absolutely!!!!
  • ColonelKurtzColonelKurtz    49 posts
    I know one of the owners of Big Ted. He said the mare was purchased specifically for a mating with Marooned. One of the other owners had a horse with Brian Mayfield-Smith who recommended Marooned, who he trained. Doesn't match you story Scenic. :?:
  • DaleDale    1,346 posts
    Good to go over the old posts and see who said what. And the stallion list above is like a missing persons list. A fair few have vanished.
  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    An interesting read....user names...is'nt Tete, you Damien, you seemed to have morphed into Diva! Or is Diva Damien! All very scarey =)) Reckon the only one to come through is Trade Fair and he's only got 3 in this 2014 sale. Why?
  • thefalconthefalcon    20,481 posts
    incestuous game this, into it... :O
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