Black Caviar going for a spell

TheDiva · May 2011

Andrew Bensley reports the mare going for a spell. Nothing wrong with her, just ready for the paddock.
I bet Johnny McNair is doing cartwheels!

TheDiva · May 2011

5 to 6 week spell then back for the Patinack Farm Classic at Flemington.

From Peter Moody on Twitter: Black Caviar will be going to the spelling paddock, all is well but we just feel that she has had enough for this prep #BlackCaviar

TorpedoPunt · May 2011

Thought this would be on the cards.

Well done to McNair and co for not running scared :P

Vorgtraffic · May 2011

http://www.racingandsports.com.au/racing/rsnewsart.asp?NID=210630

could be related to it

ADDED INCENTIVES FOR GLOBAL SPRINT CHALLENGE

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Thursday, 19 May 2011: A major new global sprint incentive and increased prize money has been announced today by the Victorian Racing Club and Patinack Farms.

The VRC and Patinack Farm have developed the 2011 Patinack Farm Classic - Group 1, WFA, 1200 metres at Flemington on Saturday 5 November ? with a range of key initiatives for 2011, 2012 and 2013 which will see prizemoney increase from $750,000 to $1,000,000 (2009 $500,000). First prize is now a guaranteed $600,000.

For connections of winners of Global Sprint Challenge races conducted overseas, there is now a major incentive to head to Flemington on November 5, when a $600,000 bonus will be awarded to the winner of the race, should they have recorded a victory in the current 2011 Global Sprint Challenge series.

This takes the potential winner's cheque to a whopping $1.2 million ? the richest payment for any sprint race in the world

It's hoped the exciting new initiative will be a major pull to entice International sprint challengers to Flemington during the Melbourne Cup Carnival.

"The Club has for some time been exploring the development of other races in the Melbourne Cup Carnival to attract international participation," VRC Chief Executive, Mr Dale Monteith, said.

"The Patinack Farm Classic offers such an opportunity, and we believe the announcement today will incentivize the connections of the world's best sprinters to hopefully take on Black Caviar and Australia's best sprinters.

"The increased internationalization of the Melbourne Cup Carnival will bring significant benefits to the Victorian Racing Industry.

"The Club is most appreciative of Patinack Farm's strong commitment to the race and its internationalization, with a three-year extension to its sponsorship".
The bonus details are:

* Payment of the $600,000 bonus will be conditional on the winner of the 2011 Patinack Farm Classic having already won a Global Sprint Challenge (GSC) race OUTSIDE AUSTRALIA since 1 October 2010.

* An Australian or New Zealand trained horse can become eligible for the bonus by having won any 2011 Global Sprint Challenge race outside Australia.

* Bonus eligible horses to date are South African trained J.J. The Jet Plane, winner of the 2010 HK International Sprint, Hong Kong trained Ultra Fantasy, winner of the 2010 (Japan) Sprinters Stakes, and Japanese trained Kinshasa no Kiseki, winner of the 2011 Takamatsunomiya Kinen.

Eligibility is backdated to October 2010 because the 2011 Japanese Sprinters Stakes (October 2011) winner will be unable to complete quarantine requirements in time for the 2011 Patinack Classic, run 34 days later.

* Upcoming GSC races in 2011 are: Krisflyer International Sprint (SGPR) on 22 May; King's Stand Stakes (UK) on 14 June; Golden Jubilee Stakes (UK) on 18 June and July Cup (UK) on 8 July.

* Under the GSC program, a Racing Victoria Ltd travel subsidy is available to connections of overseas horses competing in the 2011 Patinack Farm Classic.

* It should be noted that Singapore's Rocket Man or Sacred Kingdom from Hong Kong can become eligible for the bonus by winning the Krisflyer.

LuckyLongshots · May 2011

Bugger :x

dungy · May 2011

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Thought this would be on the cards.

Well done to McNair and co for not running scared :P

What a comment well done Mcnair ???
Well done Moody for looking after a champion you mean that we will get to see and enjoy for years to come ??? Well done Mcnair :lol: :lol: :lol:

TheDiva · May 2011

I think the point is, he hasnt tried to dodge Black Caviar, and now, hopefully the horse will get a well deserved win.

Vorgtraffic · May 2011

Semipro punter wouldnt be looking like a mug now if hes on at the $5 in pre post

quite the opposite!

Agree re divas comment: its very good that mcnair hasnt dodged black caviar each start and has kept stepping up to be beaten down every time. Others would have just cherry picked the races BC wasn't entered for but he hasn't.

dungy · May 2011

But did he ??? im tipping he will back on here screaming he got 5 s but we havent had much from him since Saturdays thumping

Dec · May 2011

Bensley via Darren McAullay also announced that the Winterbottom is on the radar. PR should have someone on a plane tonight trying to lock it in.

carey · May 2011

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But did he ??? im tipping he will back on here screaming he got 5 s but we havent had much from him since Saturdays thumping

he's still trying to work out the math for the question i asked him!! :lol:

dungy · May 2011

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http://www.racingandsports.com.au/racing/rsnewsart.asp?NID=210630

could be related to it

ADDED INCENTIVES FOR GLOBAL SPRINT CHALLENGE

|

Thursday, 19 May 2011: A major new global sprint incentive and increased prize money has been announced today by the Victorian Racing Club and Patinack Farms.

The VRC and Patinack Farm have developed the 2011 Patinack Farm Classic - Group 1, WFA, 1200 metres at Flemington on Saturday 5 November ? with a range of key initiatives for 2011, 2012 and 2013 which will see prizemoney increase from $750,000 to $1,000,000 (2009 $500,000). First prize is now a guaranteed $600,000.

For connections of winners of Global Sprint Challenge races conducted overseas, there is now a major incentive to head to Flemington on November 5, when a $600,000 bonus will be awarded to the winner of the race, should they have recorded a victory in the current 2011 Global Sprint Challenge series.

This takes the potential winner's cheque to a whopping $1.2 million ? the richest payment for any sprint race in the world

It's hoped the exciting new initiative will be a major pull to entice International sprint challengers to Flemington during the Melbourne Cup Carnival.

"The Club has for some time been exploring the development of other races in the Melbourne Cup Carnival to attract international participation," VRC Chief Executive, Mr Dale Monteith, said.

"The Patinack Farm Classic offers such an opportunity, and we believe the announcement today will incentivize the connections of the world's best sprinters to hopefully take on Black Caviar and Australia's best sprinters.

"The increased internationalization of the Melbourne Cup Carnival will bring significant benefits to the Victorian Racing Industry.

"The Club is most appreciative of Patinack Farm's strong commitment to the race and its internationalization, with a three-year extension to its sponsorship".
The bonus details are:

* Payment of the $600,000 bonus will be conditional on the winner of the 2011 Patinack Farm Classic having already won a Global Sprint Challenge (GSC) race OUTSIDE AUSTRALIA since 1 October 2010.

* An Australian or New Zealand trained horse can become eligible for the bonus by having won any 2011 Global Sprint Challenge race outside Australia.

* Bonus eligible horses to date are South African trained J.J. The Jet Plane, winner of the 2010 HK International Sprint, Hong Kong trained Ultra Fantasy, winner of the 2010 (Japan) Sprinters Stakes, and Japanese trained Kinshasa no Kiseki, winner of the 2011 Takamatsunomiya Kinen.

Eligibility is backdated to October 2010 because the 2011 Japanese Sprinters Stakes (October 2011) winner will be unable to complete quarantine requirements in time for the 2011 Patinack Classic, run 34 days later.

* Upcoming GSC races in 2011 are: Krisflyer International Sprint (SGPR) on 22 May; King's Stand Stakes (UK) on 14 June; Golden Jubilee Stakes (UK) on 18 June and July Cup (UK) on 8 July.

* Under the GSC program, a Racing Victoria Ltd travel subsidy is available to connections of overseas horses competing in the 2011 Patinack Farm Classic.

* It should be noted that Singapore's Rocket Man or Sacred Kingdom from Hong Kong can become eligible for the bonus by winning the Krisflyer.

Funny to read other fol;ks comments on Mcnair with the big bloke as one bloke puts it Moody is a A Grade trainer that wins titles and trains gr-1s everywere and Mcnair is a justa [just a trainer ] imagine what Kav or Freedy ,D Hayes ,Gai would do with HL someone that competes at the top end everyweek not a avearge trainer

TorpedoPunt · May 2011

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I think the point is, he hasnt tried to dodge Black Caviar, and now, hopefully the horse will get a well deserved win.

Thanks for clearing that up Diva :D

TorpedoPunt · May 2011

Funny to read other fol;ks comments on Mcnair with the big bloke as one bloke puts it Moody is a A Grade trainer that wins titles and trains gr-1s everywere and Mcnair is a justa [just a trainer ] imagine what Kav or Freedy ,D Hayes ,Gai would do with HL someone that competes at the top end everyweek not a avearge trainer

Not sure what your trying to say here Dungy?

Vorgtraffic · May 2011

because mcnair has a smaller stable i would imagine he could spend alot more time 1 on 1 with HL than if Hl was in a bigger stable

TorpedoPunt · May 2011

Freedman and Hayes couple of yesterdays heros right there.

Semipropunter · May 2011

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But did he ??? im tipping he will back on here screaming he got 5 s but we havent had much from him since Saturdays thumping

Nope not on...yet. The $5 ante post was a bit too short for a horse with a history of problems. He's probably unbackable at $1.60, but he can run his own race now, there is no need to pour the pace on to take the mare out of her comfort zone. She has obviously had enough, but i would have preferred that to be revealed under race conditions, after all that is what I predicted all along.

Semipropunter · May 2011

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But did he ??? im tipping he will back on here screaming he got 5 s but we havent had much from him since Saturdays thumping
he's still trying to work out the math for the question i asked him!! :lol:

You honestly want an answer to putting $1000+ into a 100k pool? I bet with the corporates for a start, so unless that money is bet back, it doesn't affect my dividend. But if I did put that kind of bet into that pool then, yes i'd need to calculate the likely affect on the price of my selection. I'd normally take the fixed proce anyway unless there is a clear disparity between the fixed and tote prices.

dungy · May 2011

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Funny to read other fol;ks comments on Mcnair with the big bloke as one bloke puts it Moody is a A Grade trainer that wins titles and trains gr-1s everywere and Mcnair is a justa [just a trainer ] imagine what Kav or Freedy ,D Hayes ,Gai would do with HL someone that competes at the top end everyweek not a avearge trainer

Not sure what your trying to say here Dungy?

Pretty easy dont have to be a bright spark what i was saying was HL is a bloody good horse with a average trainer imagine how good he could be with a trainer that competes at the highest end year in year out like Moody a GR-1 trainer reading on Racenet a lot of punters were making this point and paying Moody the highest of respect for tipping her out that was th epoint i was making

dungy · May 2011

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But did he ??? im tipping he will back on here screaming he got 5 s but we havent had much from him since Saturdays thumping
Nope not on...yet. The $5 ante post was a bit too short for a horse with a history of problems. He's probably unbackable at $1.60, but he can run his own race now, there is no need to pour the pace on to take the mare out of her comfort zone. She has obviously had enough, but i would have preferred that to be revealed under race conditions, after all that is what I predicted all along.

What did you to predict all along ??
You predicted that HL would belt the mare and you couldnt have been any further from it if you didnt watch Saturdays race ??
Im happy to take a 1.70 HL as he will walk its free $$$ but agree he has had a few niggles and Mcnair was quoted in saying he is working the horse harder than ever at present so just hope he doesnt leave it at trackwork

TorpedoPunt · May 2011

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Funny to read other fol;ks comments on Mcnair with the big bloke as one bloke puts it Moody is a A Grade trainer that wins titles and trains gr-1s everywere and Mcnair is a justa [just a trainer ] imagine what Kav or Freedy ,D Hayes ,Gai would do with HL someone that competes at the top end everyweek not a avearge trainer

Not sure what your trying to say here Dungy?
Pretty easy dont have to be a bright spark what i was saying was HL is a bloody good horse with a average trainer imagine how good he could be with a trainer that competes at the highest end year in year out like Moody a GR-1 trainer reading on Racenet a lot of punters were making this point and paying Moody the highest of respect for tipping her out that was th epoint i was making

So what your saying is that Vo Rogue, Takeover Target and the like would have gone better with an "elite" trainer? Can't agree with that at all.

Out the wrong side this morning?

Semipropunter · May 2011

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Funny to read other fol;ks comments on Mcnair with the big bloke as one bloke puts it Moody is a A Grade trainer that wins titles and trains gr-1s everywere and Mcnair is a justa [just a trainer ] imagine what Kav or Freedy ,D Hayes ,Gai would do with HL someone that competes at the top end everyweek not a avearge traine

Not sure what your trying to say here Dungy?
Pretty easy dont have to be a bright spark what i was saying was HL is a bloody good horse with a average trainer imagine how good he could be with a trainer that competes at the highest end year in year out like Moody a GR-1 trainer reading on Racenet a lot of punters were making this point and paying Moody the highest of respect for tipping her out that was th epoint i was making
So what your saying is that Vo Rogue, Takeover Target and the like would have gone better with an "elite" trainer? Can't agree with that at all.

Out the wrong side this morning?

Agree. Mc Nair has a reputation for getting "crocks" back to winning from. Hay List has had well publicised problems with his feet Im not sure a trainer with a large stable have would have the time to tend to a high maintenance horse that Hay List apparently is. People said the same things about Joe Janiak and Takeover Target, but that didn't stop the horse becoming a world champion.

Blake · May 2011

agree. john's done a great job with him you only have to look at the way he presents in the yard.
the horse is a superstar. just bumped into a freak is all.
take her out and he's won the btc cup by 4 3/4, all aged by 3.3, tj smith by 5, lightning by 1.75. bit stiff!

[DeletedUser] · May 2011

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Funny to read other fol;ks comments on Mcnair with the big bloke as one bloke puts it Moody is a A Grade trainer that wins titles and trains gr-1s everywere and Mcnair is a justa [just a trainer ] imagine what Kav or Freedy ,D Hayes ,Gai would do with HL someone that competes at the top end everyweek not a avearge trainer

Not sure what your trying to say here Dungy?
Pretty easy dont have to be a bright spark what i was saying was HL is a bloody good horse with a average trainer imagine how good he could be with a trainer that competes at the highest end year in year out like Moody a GR-1 trainer reading on Racenet a lot of punters were making this point and paying Moody the highest of respect for tipping her out that was th epoint i was making

People tend to think like this, but racing is full of owners that take horses from small trainers where they get individual attention, and send them to big stables where they become just a number.
McNair has done a great job with a horse that was difficult to keep sound. Individual attention with certain horses is all thats required to turn them around. Think you are wrong on this one Dungy.

carey · May 2011

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But did he ??? im tipping he will back on here screaming he got 5 s but we havent had much from him since Saturdays thumping
he's still trying to work out the math for the question i asked him!! :lol:
You honestly want an answer to putting $1000+ into a 100k pool? I bet with the corporates for a start, so unless that money is bet back, it doesn't affect my dividend. But if I did put that kind of bet into that pool then, yes i'd need to calculate the likely affect on the price of my selection. I'd normally take the fixed proce anyway unless there is a clear disparity between the fixed and tote prices.

who mentioned 1000?
i simply asked what is the optimal bet so that you can extract the MOST money from the pool.
being a semipro, then i thought that insinuated that you bet into all pools.
corporates can and do shut winners down, and have never bothered with them myself....ever.
tabs will give semipros rebates, and i just assumed you must be getting fat ones!! 8) :lol:

carey · May 2011

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But did he ??? im tipping he will back on here screaming he got 5 s but we havent had much from him since Saturdays thumping
Nope not on...yet. The $5 ante post was a bit too short for a horse with a history of problems. He's probably unbackable at $1.60, but he can run his own race now, there is no need to pour the pace on to take the mare out of her comfort zone. She has obviously had enough, but i would have preferred that to be revealed under race conditions, after all that is what I predicted all along.

if she had started, i am pretty sure that the result would have been the same as it always is.
the only thing i would have read from last week, is that she needs a bit of ground now.
it still looked easy to me, and maybe the guy feels a bit of pressure to keep her unbeaten...don't know, but i think she would have walked in same as always.
i may not be a semipro, but BC has highest numbers(twice) that i have ever seen from a lifetime of looking at races(at least back to mid 70's!)
they're only numbers, but here it is 2011 and im still going!! :roll:

Vorgtraffic · May 2011

To be fair, boss ruined all of hay lists chances. Hay list cant just sit and sprint and expect to beat black caviar, who has the best turn of foot in the world. He needs to lead aggressively and hope he can get a big enough break.

carey · May 2011

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To be fair, boss ruined all of hay lists chances. Hay list cant just sit and sprint and expect to beat black caviar, who has the best turn of foot in the world. He needs to lead aggressively and hope he can get a big enough break.

which is the opposite of what semi pro reckons, but of course, you are perfectly correct imo.

Vorgtraffic · May 2011

Id love to see nash have a go on hay list

dungy · May 2011

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Funny to read other fol;ks comments on Mcnair with the big bloke as one bloke puts it Moody is a A Grade trainer that wins titles and trains gr-1s everywere and Mcnair is a justa [just a trainer ] imagine what Kav or Freedy ,D Hayes ,Gai would do with HL someone that competes at the top end everyweek not a avearge trainer

Not sure what your trying to say here Dungy?
Pretty easy dont have to be a bright spark what i was saying was HL is a bloody good horse with a average trainer imagine how good he could be with a trainer that competes at the highest end year in year out like Moody a GR-1 trainer reading on Racenet a lot of punters were making this point and paying Moody the highest of respect for tipping her out that was th epoint i was making
So what your saying is that Vo Rogue, Takeover Target and the like would have gone better with an "elite" trainer? Can't agree with that at all.

Out the wrong side this morning?

No mate got out the bed fine and dandy its opinion you have yours good as gold :lol:

dungy · May 2011

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To be fair, boss ruined all of hay lists chances. Hay list cant just sit and sprint and expect to beat black caviar, who has the best turn of foot in the world. He needs to lead aggressively and hope he can get a big enough break.

I dont reckon Bossman did anything wrong on the horse he was praised for his ride in the All aged what else could he have done the other day mate ??

G'day Punter!

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