Black Caviar going for a spell

Vorgtraffic · May 2011

He rode hay list pretty. Pretty rides aren't going to beat black caviar. When she gets level with hay list every day of the week she is going to win, so what does he do? He walks the first half of the race and they sprint home in under 33. Versus the all aged horses who are less dyanamic and dont have the turn of foot he has, its fine. But he is against the horse with the best turn of foot in the land.

Basically, he slaughtered his chances of winning the race.

Coming to the turn hay list would have been a million to one.

What i think he should have done, and i said pre-race is he has to leads aggressively. Hay list is coming back from 1400m which wouldn't help his turn of foot but would have helped his ability to run out the 1200 strongly imo. Buffering was happy to go as slowly as possible as he did in the Victory so if hay list burns around the corner and puts 2 or 3 or even 4 lengths on buffering he makes a race of it, and gets BC chasing(hopefully) a long way out. At doomben, horses can keep on going. That was his only chance of winning. Instead, boss rides the pretty race and gives hay list NO chance.

Not saying he can win, but ridden like that he has no chance.

Precision · May 2011

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To be fair, boss ruined all of hay lists chances. Hay list cant just sit and sprint and expect to beat black caviar, who has the best turn of foot in the world. He needs to lead aggressively and hope he can get a big enough break.

Absolutely agree, i said it before but i think his best chance to beat her would be over 1000m fly the gates and not look back. McNair has been saying for a while his chance was over more ground but to me that's just a bloke who's got nowhere else to go as she's already proven she beats him over a shorter trip.

You just need to see her going half pace when the others are off the bit to see she'd have plenty left at the end of 1400m.

slipatiptome · May 2011

Black Caviar was auctioned for $210,000. Does anybody know who the very very very unfortunate underbidders were?

dungy · May 2011

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Black Caviar was auctioned for $210,000. Does anybody know who the very very very unfortunate underbidders were?

Im tipping Slip nearly everyone was the Under bidder :lol: :lol:

Blake · May 2011

i have been told but can't remember off the top of my head. I'll ask again
Most expensive Bel Esprit ever sold. was a ball of muscle even then.

I agree 100% with Vorg re Boss. he was better off just taking off at the 500 and straightening up 5 in front like what happened in the tj. She straightened up 3/4 off him on the bit he was never going to beat her then.

Blake · May 2011

TROY CORSTENS was underbidder

darkshines · May 2011

Gee I dunno, didn't they try that (going flat out) in the TJ? (admittedly he was reported underdone?)

I love HL like a brother, but think the only way he'll ever beat her is if she's on the nose. Not as tho shes just nabbed him by a neck or whatever - these are big margins she beats him by time and time again

Have you copped the 10,000 field - could actually be 5L+ job

The List has a phenomenal record right handed

Vorgtraffic · May 2011

Straight at doomben is 50m shorter, and no rise like at randwick afaik. The way black caviar handled the corner suggests that he might have been able to get a big enough break to make it close.

Coldy · May 2011

I see the connections of rocket man are gloating they will beat BC. There on mushrooms :P

Dark · May 2011

You guys obviously didnt hear what Mcnair said after after the race?

Blake · May 2011

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I see the connections of rocket man are gloating they will beat BC. There on mushrooms :P

got to be kidding it beat Eclair Fastpass for god's sake!

danish · May 2011

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The List has a phenomenal record right handed

Straight is really his only poor record(if you could call it that.)

Colonel Reeves only blemish left handed.

darkshines · May 2011

Aaaah I had hoped to never speak of that day ever again. If I recall I got $2.50 or something during the week (jumped $1.50), my single biggest single race loss ever to this day.

I said to the boys with me - in a year or two years time you can say you were at the races the day a champion got beat by camels.

danish · May 2011

Couldnt help myself DS. :lol: :lol: :lol:

TheDiva · June 2011

This was the rumour circulating yesterday:

Black Caviar May Skip Melb Spring For HK & Japan
Australia?s unbeaten 4YO sprinting mare & currently highest-rated racehorse Black Caviar (Bel Esprit-Helsinge, by Desert Sun) ?may be a virtual no-show in Melbourne this Spring, with connections considering a trip to Japan & Hong Kong? reported The Herald-Sun. Trainer Peter Moody revealed last night he had asked Black Caviar's owners ?for their Spring wish list & close to the top was the October 2 Gr1 Sprinters Stakes in Japan & December 11 Gr1 Hong Kong International Sprint, both over 1200m?. Moody noted: ?She is the best racehorse in the world & the world is one of the options.? Moody confirmed if the international trip was locked in, Black Caviar ?would have just one Melbourne run, 1st-up in the 1000m McEwen Stakes at Moonee Valley on September 10?. He summed up: "We are keeping all our options open & the owners have indicated to me they'd like serious thought to be given to the Japan & Hong Kong races, with a long-term priority given to Royal Ascot next year.? Moody also admitted the owners were ?a bit miffed? the Victoria Racing Club had offered overseas rivals such as Singapore's Rocket Man a $600,000 Global Sprint Challenge bonus for the Gr1 Patinack Farm Classic (1200m) at Flemington in November, while Black Caviar was eligible for just prize-money; the owners were ?slightly put out that our horse, who's already won 2 Global Sprint Challenge races, was not eligible?. On Rocket Man?s likely start in the Patinack, Moody said he had ?nothing to fear? & declared: ?There isn't a horse on the planet capable of beating Black Caviar up to a mile.? (Jun 3)

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