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Black Caviar in the UK - Royal Ascot

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  • LuckyLongshotsLuckyLongshots    4,270 posts
    I've got a question...where was BC's lady strapper (Donna Fisher) last night? The lady that has been her strapper since the start, yet she was at Flemington yesterday - seemed strange after that lady strapper had been with her every step of the way!

    She had two blokes strapping her last night.

    I'd have thought the strapper for a horse like BC would be a given on such an occasion.

    BLACK Caviar's regular strapper, Donna Fisher, was a long way from where she wanted to be yesterday but was more than happy to be a team player after There's Only One saluted in a heat of the Winter Championship (1400m) at Flemington.

    Fisher was given the role of stable spokeswoman for Peter Moody after the impressive victory.

    "It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to go to England and you can't take everybody there as there's still 100 horses at home to be looked after," she said.

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  • tonytony    2,437 posts
    Some reports say the owners decided not to take her, others suggested she (Donna) made the decision.
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,008 posts
    Moody said he had 100 plus in work and she was needed at home for them
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  • perfectjetperfectjet    217 posts
    Would like to hear more info about her injuries. Muscle tear Sounds like words from a chiropracter - who are nothin but charlatans.
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,483 posts
    Frankie Dettori has his say

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4392402/Jockey-Frankie-Dettori-Why-I-wanted-Black-Caviar-to-beat-me.html
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,008 posts
    http://www.perthracing.com.au/news.aspx?ContentID=31070

    If this race was run in this State, Black Caviar would be going up in ratings points, as we don't care how far you win by, just that you win.

    I half expected these clowns to think that winning by a head was a substandard performance in a Group 1 for her.

    Still it doesn't compare to a horse who has met only 72 other horses in his lifetime, never left his small part of England in 11 starts, but somehow is ranked the greatest ever.

    What a joke.
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  • Unknown
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    If this race was run in this State, Black Caviar would be going up in ratings points, as we don't care how far you win by, just that you win.

    that statement is totally incorrect and shows a lack of understanding of the handicapping system
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,008 posts
    said:

    said:


    If this race was run in this State, Black Caviar would be going up in ratings points, as we don't care how far you win by, just that you win.

    that statement is totally incorrect and shows a lack of understanding of the handicapping system
    Really ? so you can win a GR1 in WA, defeating other Gr 1 winners in the field and not get touched ?

    Which race would that be ?
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    you are both right and both wrong.

    if you were before i wrote last week, that lg can't logically have its rating increased if it won, i dunno.

    but its rating is the same after the race as it was before it.
    and that's as it should be.

    but that's where it gets murky, because history as far as rating the results of wfa races by the wa handicappers is generally decidedly sh......e.
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  • Unknown
    the key being it was wfa - and there are plenty of examples of wfa winners in WA not receiving a penalty

    Luckygray most recently
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    the key being it was wfa - and there are plenty of examples of wfa winners in WA not receiving a penalty

    Luckygray most recently

    give me one other example please.
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  • Unknown
    Marasco
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    Was Grand Nirvana not penalised after winning the Scahill last December?

    If you are the best rated horse in a WFA race, do you not get penalised if you win because you should be beating the rest on a level playing field? Is that why LG doesnt cop any points?

    What would the penalty have been if horse like Late Night Flight had won, given that it is rated 27 points (or 13.5kg worse off).
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    Was Grand Nirvana not penalised after winning the Scahill last December?

    it went to melbourne and failed, so don't know what happened(depends if wa guy took melbourne into account)

    If you are the best rated horse in a WFA race, do you not get penalised if you win because you should be beating the rest on a level playing field? Is that why LG doesnt cop any points?

    it's got to depend on the rating relative to the other horses you are against as to what happens
    luckygray was meeting gn 3kg better than if it were a handicap, so of course it can't logically rise points for doing what it should.
    if it were rated 3kg lower then gn and beat it, then it rightfully gets penalised

    What would the penalty have been if horse like Late Night Flight had won, given that it is rated 27 points (or 13.5kg worse off).

    if it had won then it would have been catastrophic for wa racing! :lol: it's already in enough trouble.
    what would happen in reality is interesting, because it's had years to prove it's ability.
    it would have to get less than if it were a young improving horse that had not yet reached its zenith

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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    the key being it was wfa - and there are plenty of examples of wfa winners in WA not receiving a penalty

    Luckygray most recently

    ok, you gave me one, but to say plenty, is plainly wrong, because for them to get no increase in rating, they have to be already rated far above their opponents.
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  • Unknown
    And black caviar would be rated far above her opposition - proves my point
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    And black caviar would be rated far above her opposition - proves my point

    that's nothing to do with 'lots' of wfa winners in perth getting no penalty.
    bc has not had hers increased for a long time(at least 5 runs), so it's a point i already knew, and was not asking about!
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  • Unknown
    I didnt say lots either - stop being your usual shit stirring self and just agree with me that Damien was wrong as usual
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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,008 posts
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    I didnt say lots either - stop being your usual **** stirring self and just agree with me that Damien was wrong as usual

    who mentioned WFA ?
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    I didnt say lots either - stop being your usual **** stirring self and just agree with me that Damien was wrong as usual

    you said 'plenty' and that is more than just a few in my language!!
    you did say lots, even if not specifically; so the insinuation was there.
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    I didnt say lots either - stop being your usual **** stirring self and just agree with me that Damien was wrong as usual

    who mentioned WFA ?
    you did, because you referenced bc in that race in the uk.
    it was a wfa race.
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  • Unknown
    plenty means - more than sufficient

    lots means - a large quantity

    and lol at Damienfor not knowing it was a wfa race
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  • Unknown
    And from over in England every so called ?expert? has had their say about the run of Black Caviar. I must say in all the years I?ve been involved in racing I?ve never heard - or read - a bigger load of crap than some of the things that have been written by fools in charge of a pen and/or a mouth, in Australia since her victory at Royal Ascot. Every imaginable bit of tripe that could have been spoken or written has been - and as far as I'm concerned, it?s just been totally pathetic. Do these idiots think that Black Caviar is the only equine or canine athlete that is capable of tearing a muscle during a race? In the heat of battle with a hot body and adrenalin levels at their maximum, how much would a muscle tear worry a racehorse? When in God?s name is the last time you saw a horse forced to pull up in a race after it had torn a muscle? For the record I haven?t seen one in 56 years. ?Has she run her last race? - and all this rot they wrote in newspapers and spoke on the radio for days after the win. Maybe if some of the ?experts? would have paid more attention to what was written here about the most important thing about racehorses that travel being the inoculations that they have to receive prior to their departure, they would have been better placed to accept her narrow victory, without worrying about all the subsequent injury garbage. And every ?expert? can tell you how far she raced below her best and give their stupid reasons why. I just shake my head ? given that the mare was never going to get beaten in the run. Sometimes they don?t win by a furlong ? after all they are flesh and blood, and put in perspective, the horse that ran second to Black Caviar before she left Australia was what I?d call ?a chaffbandit and oxygen thief of monumental proportions? named Sistine Angel and Sistine Angel has had four runs in Australia since she ran second to Black Caviar, for a third of nine in a Listed race in Adelaide, a seventh of 16 in the Doomben 10,000 ? a twelfth of 18 in the Stradbroke and a fourteenth of 18 in the Tattersall?s Tiara, inspiring stuff, the point being that Sistine Angel and crew are a totally different ballgame to some handy and seasoned European sprinters who took on Black Caviar at Royal Ascot and who were racing in their own back yard.

    And whilst on the subject of Black Caviar, I couldn?t help but think what a wonderful champion sprinter Takeover Target must have been? The dicky-legged horse, trained by a bloke no one had heard of, could go multiple times to England, then trek to Japan and Singapore and perform with distinction, plus break a Doomben 1200-metre track record along the way, which incidentally still stands today. No excuses like ?muscle tears and bruising? were needed to be found to appease the masses if the winning margin was a bit slimmer than the Aussie population would have liked or expected. He just did the job without fanfare, copped his inoculations, then came home and picked up where he left off. Black Caviar?s effort at Royal Ascot merely endorses what wonderful Aussie efforts have happened before her. And all those Australian horses before her surely deserved the same accolades from the Australia population, but sadly they didn?t get them, as they weren?t unbeaten when they left our shores. Ask ten people at random in the street who Black Caviar is and I?d say nine would know. Ask ten people at random in the street who Takeover Target is and the ten would probably give you a vacant look. It?s sure a funny world.
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  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    hear hear
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    LOL at quoting justracing (unreferenced as well :naughty: ) to back up an argument . . .
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    that bloke needs to be inoculated. :roll:
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  • careycarey    6,424 posts
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    that bloke needs to be inoculated. :roll:


    don't you mean exterminated? :lol: :lol:
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  • RodentRodent    7,476 posts
    After reading it, I thought Della was at least 56 years old :lol:
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  • RodentRodent    7,476 posts
    said:

    said:

    the key being it was wfa - and there are plenty of examples of wfa winners in WA not receiving a penalty

    Luckygray most recently

    give me one other example please.
    Idyllic Prince 21/8/10
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  • Unknown
    Nolen says he has mixed emotions over what he called one of the worst rides of his life which nearly cost Black Caviar her 22nd straight win, when he eased her up 50m from the finish line to scrape home in the Diamond Jubilee Stakes by a nose.
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