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Reporting Stupidity by Stewards

West Australian Racing
raconteurraconteur    610 posts
edited December 2012 West Australian Racing
Seems that no matter what the 'explanation" is - it is simply accepted ( "noted") - cop this from Bunbury last week:
RACE 6: BUNBURY MAIL HANDICAP - 2000M
FA'EM (Kevin Bohorun) – When questioned regarding the unplaced performance, rider advised that he had lead comfortably in running and although able to relax his mount through the middle stages the fact that it had raced into the prevailing head wind(sic) had taken its toll and consequently the gelding was unable to finish the race off as anticipated. This explanation was noted.
It was a 2000m race - they went one circuit + ( ie a circle) - in the "middle stages" MOVIE MOGUL raced without cover but seemed to battle on through the headwind to run 3rd at $15.00.

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  • squirtsquirt    32 posts
    LOL, had jockey look at us one day, he did'nt have FA to say, He new...! I'm sorry was the reply!! Ok move on, but give me me a break!! excuses are getting better!!
  • AmissionAmission    63 posts
    Still better odds than playing the Lotto. Take the loss and move on. :-@
  • squirtsquirt    32 posts
    Mmmm...YEEHAHH..I have but PLEASE!!
  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,452 posts
    Common line in a stewards report is that a horse raced wide throughout. There are times when there appears no reason for a horse to do so. Why don't the stewards ask why the horse tracked wide throughout?
  • RodentRodent    7,470 posts
    Stewards go through the motions. When was the last time they offered something insightful? You know, where they actually came up with something the punters overlooked? They are the paid professionals but seem to be less than amateur.
  • But I think they are honest Rodent.
  • RodentRodent    7,470 posts
    I'm sure they are by your standards.
  • rickrick    487 posts
    slip i do know of a few horses that wont settle with another runner on its outside , and these horses im talking about ive watched with the trainer and seen the big improvment when riden with only a horse on its inside .
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    edited December 2012
    I thought the horse might have had enough , people seem to forget the horse is not a machine. They have off days just as we do
  • Rodent said:

    I'm sure they are by your standards.

    Maybe they should follow your standard and become dishonest.
  • RodentRodent    7,470 posts
    You are a bad advertisement for licenced people carrying on like this wilson.
  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Ease up please, stick to the thread
  • Just sticking up for the industry Matt, it's apparently full of cheats. But Rodent is an advocate for dishonesty himself.
  • I fail to see how I am a bad advertisement for licensed people when all I do is defend the industry and it's participants for the constant whining and griping that goes on.
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    wilson, you are not sticking up for anything.
    if you were sticking up for the industry, you would be agreeing with rodent.
    the way i read your posts is, that however bad something may be, if we hide it and deride, then it's all hunky dory.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    The industry needs a massive clean up Wilson...and i hope it's started, cos if it hasn't, it wont survive the next financial collapse in the economy, and the flow on disappearance of disposable income.

    No government..state or federal - would go anywhere near our industry for extra funds with the turmoil that it is in...As a senior member of this industry i would have expected that you would be supportive of the emphasis that is coming about for accountability of all participants...Especially if your children have followed you into this industry.

    In fact due to years of service within this industry you are in an ideal position to assist with the clean up..both with experience and a desire to help create an industry that will survive for many years to come for the benefit of your children.

    Then again maybe your happy with how things are..as an owner/punter and soon to be (rather stupidly) hobby breeder, i feel it could be a lot better..
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    my 2 cents is when something happens from the ordinary people think dishonesty is involved, (nothing to do with Rodents comments on this thread), it was only a few months ago when plentyy of people were declaring boat races were being organized here in Perth I have never read so much bullshit in my life. Now its the Sydney group that are in the know and people questioning how they now so much, just maybe they do the form better than most. I had a share in a winner nearly 3 months ago, I backed it and right on the death knock the so called Sydney gang had plenty on it, a bookmaker friend of mine said they just kept backing it repeatedly. There was nothing sinister except they thought it was a moral. I layed FA EM at bunbury only because I thought it might have had enough, kid on it, and a hard run teh start before, wasn't that hard to come up with those. Horses have off days just as humans do, Personally I think Racing has never been cleaner
  • RodentRodent    7,470 posts
    What about the stewards in NSW harness racing who got exposed? That is proof enough that stewards can be bought.
    There is a lot more money to be won in the gallops so I guess that would mean that someone orchestrating things in the gallops would have a bigger war chest in which to throw at the people they needed to act in their interests.
    Of course it can happen in the gallops. Whenever there are plunges and stewards aren't asking the right questions, it is reasonable for the punter to question the situation. Of course those making a handsome profit don't want the boat rocked. Steady as she goes wilson.
  • Sorry Steve you are wrong. I support TCO2 figures being published if that helps. I don't support Rodents suggestion that the figures should be manipulated dishonestly. If you support his suggestion Steve you surprise me, as I took you as an honest man.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    Wilson that would be no different to a cop going undercover to catch a crook...happens every day of the week..it is documented and managed for the greater good....as would be the case with the incorrect TCo2 levels
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts

    RACE 6: BUNBURY MAIL HANDICAP - 2000M
    FA'EM (Kevin Bohorun) – When questioned regarding the unplaced performance, rider advised that he had lead comfortably in running and although able to relax his mount through the middle stages the fact that it had raced into the prevailing head wind(sic) had taken its toll and consequently the gelding was unable to finish the race off as anticipated. This explanation was noted.
    It was a 2000m race - they went one circuit + ( ie a circle) - in the "middle stages" MOVIE MOGUL raced without cover but seemed to battle on through the headwind to run 3rd at $15.00.

    But they asked the question and I thought the answer was creditable, isn't that what your complaining about?
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    Rio "a massive cleanup regarding what"
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    RIO said:

    The industry needs a massive clean up Wilson...and i hope it's started, cos if it hasn't, it wont survive the next financial collapse in the economy, and the flow on disappearance of disposable income.

    What massive clean up are you suggesting needs to be done?

    No government..state or federal - would go anywhere near our industry for extra funds with the turmoil that it is in...As a senior member of this industry i would have expected that you would be supportive of the emphasis that is coming about for accountability of all participants...Especially if your children have followed you into this industry.

    What turmoil is WA experiencing?

    In fact due to years of service within this industry you are in an ideal position to assist with the clean up..both with experience and a desire to help create an industry that will survive for many years to come for the benefit of your children.

    Then again maybe your happy with how things are..as an owner/punter and soon to be (rather stupidly) hobby breeder, i feel it could be a lot better..

    very stupid Wilson, how dare you breed Travinator

  • RodentRodent    7,470 posts
    Piston, read the pause...Rio was talking about himself as a hobby breeder.
  • RIORIO    14,902 posts

    Rio "a massive cleanup regarding what"

    PB.. i really struggle to write without making a frigging novel of things, so i will be really short or i could easily fill up a whole page.

    two areas...

    consistency and effectiveness with the stewards - we hear it on here all the time

    and professional conduct by trainers..the example of what happened on railway stakes day with two leading trainers is the tip of the iceberg..we need more professional management in the industry..we are no longer a hobby industry when we contribute $600mil/yr to the WA economy..but there are very few well managed operations...argue as much as you like but I'm right....oh, but before you argue about that point...re-read this bit....."there are very few"

    and i could go on and on and on and on..Add PR and RWWA to the above as well

    if we clean up the inefficiencies that we have within our current system, we may find that what we have actually isn't too bad..we may not of course!!!!
  • careycarey    6,424 posts
    i am simply stating how i perceive what you write.
    you write as if you want every thing hidden.
    i want everything in the open.
    you should want exactly the same as me where racing is concerned.

    the difference between us, is that i don't know anybody that is involved in racing in wa, so have nothing to defend, and wouldn't anyway.
    i actually agree(kind of) with pb, but i can see things that you and he can't(or don't want to).
    and i KNOW something is going on.
    what it is, i don't exactly know, nor know how extensive, and i don't need to know, to KNOW
    that there may be guys from 'sydney' to ME is irrelevant.

  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    edited December 2012

    RIO said:

    The industry needs a massive clean up Wilson...and i hope it's started, cos if it hasn't, it wont survive the next financial collapse in the economy, and the flow on disappearance of disposable income.

    What massive clean up are you suggesting needs to be done?

    No government..state or federal - would go anywhere near our industry for extra funds with the turmoil that it is in...As a senior member of this industry i would have expected that you would be supportive of the emphasis that is coming about for accountability of all participants...Especially if your children have followed you into this industry.

    What turmoil is WA experiencing?

    In fact due to years of service within this industry you are in an ideal position to assist with the clean up..both with experience and a desire to help create an industry that will survive for many years to come for the benefit of your children.

    Then again maybe your happy with how things are..as an owner/punter and soon to be (rather stupidly) hobby breeder, i feel it could be a lot better..

    very stupid Wilson, how dare you breed Travinator

    Nice horse hope i can emulate it...rodents interpretation of my post was right
  • Piston_BrokePiston_Broke    2,047 posts
    every state has problems with stewards, consistency and effectiveness i would not consider being a massive cleanup. stewards can make mistakes just as much as anyone, if we are in need of a massive cleanup re Stewards , WTF does Victoria and NSW need?
    I thought their explanation as to why the horses were allowed to start was fair enough

  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    agreed..and i thought in that situation the stewards did a good job...were spot on...but the trainers that allowed the treatments to be done were a bit less than professional....

    PB...the other states have been found to have some real problems..WA hasn't and i hope that we are never in that position..but it still doesn't mean we cant do better than what we are currently doing..just cos we don't appear to be as bad as others, doesn't mean we should be coasting.

    The next few years could be real tough; on the back of a few tough years. I'm not confident from what i see that we are in a position to get through to the other side and be in a strong position.....as an industry.
  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    Rio dont bang your head against the wall most in the racing industry wont realise until it is too late and wonder what happened? they cant see the forest for the trees.
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