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  • forzajuveforzajuve    369 posts
    I think there has only 1 athlete who has ever escaped without penalty after a positive test or admitting taking drugs & that was due to him being unconscious when given the injection but I am unsure whether he was convicted first then had to appeal & case was dismissed.

    I can't never remember where  i read this stuff
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    whether he knew or not....he was injected with illegal drugs, so his brownlow winning performance was not "fair" to his rivals. On that basis, maybe he should be stripped of it? 

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  • CarlosaCarlosa    1,287 posts
    Go read the ACC report.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    The Diva said:

    whether he knew or not....he was injected with illegal drugs, so his brownlow winning performance was not "fair" to his rivals. On that basis, maybe he should be stripped of it? 


    Isnt the Brownlow =the fairest and best ??

    If a horse comes back over they connections have to hand back the winning $$$

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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    The boys on the 360 just said if the bloke that won the Tour De France last year had tested positive to AOD he loses the gold jacket simple as that
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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Easy decision take it off him.
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    I just wannna know how I can get on AOD-9604?!
    Maybe H-Bomber knows..... I was thinking more due to his profession rather than his support of the Bombers 
    =))

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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Anyone back Cotchin for the Brownlow last year?
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Same rules as a pos swab at the track I guess - correct weight declared, and all bets paid.
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  • H-BOMBERH-BOMBER    10,567 posts
    This doesn't look good at all, in fact its quite upsetting as a long time supporter of the club. 

    Obviously I am biased, as Jobe is by far and away my favorite player. It would be a tragedy if he was stripped off his Brownlow medal, as I believe he took part in these injections thinking that he wasn't doing anything wrong.

    But fact is fact. If the drug was on the banned list at the time, and it was given to him systematically to enhance his on field performance, then based on previous rulings he is not in the best position. Unfortunately, I think its a case of very bad advice from the medicos, and also the players putting their whole trust in the medical staff (which they should be entitled to do). But the fact of the matter is, whether he realised or not, a banned substance was injected into his body systematically over a period of time and unfortunately its a punishable offence.

    Speaking of bad advice, surely the club advised him to drop this in his interview, there would be no reason to do this of your own free will? and why now? Maybe something is coming out and they wanted to get it out first?

    If found guilty and punished, I hope he doesn't become the scapegoat here. Supporter or not, the game would be robbed of one of its best players. 

    All I know is that this is the tip of an iceberg for the club 
    :-SS

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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Agree - I don't think there's a nicer guy (and barely a better player) going around.
    I for one applaud him for his comments Monday night.
    Hope he is playing here tomorrow night, and if Hash ends up getting me a ticket - I will stand and applaud him.
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts

    1. He is 1000/1 to keep his medal. Can see no basis on which he could.

    2. Clear his comments on Monday night were deliberate and calculated in that they separated the players from the Club/Medicos. This could get real messy with AFLPA getting involved . . .

    Either way I think the Bombers are rooted.

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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Yep
    He shouldn't be stood down now though - he's not been charged with anything, and we had to play the Bummers with him in, so so should the Egirls.................. ;)

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  • JordanJordan    1,827 posts
    Late scratching so expect deductions Chris !!
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  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    Apparently final decision on bombers is 2 weeks before the finals AFL playing it very smart cant see them being allowed to play in them but hasnt caused too much financial damage during the season.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    edited June 2013
    I reckon they should be stripped of their points (all games played default to a win to their opposition) and they go to the back in the draft (first pick - 18)
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    Cant help but think Ess will come out of this OK as there is no other reason than why would Jobe go on the show the other night reckon its a case of the playing group distancing them  form the medicos so all blame will get smacked on the medicos and coaches there is a lot more to this than we all no i reckon Ess seem very calm and relaxed about it all  HIRD/THOMPSON  HAS TO GO
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  • forzajuveforzajuve    369 posts
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    They do not judge integrity or whether drug takers are nice people or biggest ^&* under the sun.

    From the looks of it he is lucky to still be playing





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  • CarlosaCarlosa    1,287 posts

    How about you all just wait for the investigation to finish and let the authorities dole out the penalties.

    Some of the crap being spouted here is just absolute rubbish!

    Regards

    Disgruntled Bomber supporter

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  • octaviusoctavius    2,290 posts
    Carlosa said:

    How about you all just wait for the investigation to finish and let the authorities dole out the penalties.

    Some of the crap being spouted here is just absolute rubbish!

    Regards

    Disgruntled Bomber supporter

    Nah, this forum shall be judge, jury and executioner.

    As Tivers said, Bombers should be stripped of all points in 2013, lose draft picks in 2014 and Watson should be stripped of his brownlow.

    I don't think any of the players should be suspended, but the club needs to pay dearly for its actions.

    Apparently they are very coy on the whole situation because they believe they can beat the charges on a legal technicality.

    Burn them all!

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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Difference between this and say cyclists, athletes is that this was done not for anyone's individual gain, but for the team gain - hence the team should cop the penalty as I suggest.

    Brownlow is the catch....................
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  • octaviusoctavius    2,290 posts
    Its not a catch, the medal is for fairest and best and by his own admission he had cheated by giving himself an unfair advantage. When it comes down to awards of this nature each athlete is ultimately responsible for what it is administered to them, he would not be an orphan in respect of losing his medal in the circumstances he finds himself.

    I just don't know how he can keep the medal under any logic, I don't believe he should carry much responsibility in all this, as any other player, but unfortunately they will need to adhere to the rules that govern a fair playing field, and therefore they should be penalised and stripped of all success, individual and team, that has a direct nexus to receiving an unfair advantage.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    True
    Just unfortunate (couldn't happen to a nicer guy - literally)
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  • CarlosaCarlosa    1,287 posts
    octavius said:

    Its not a catch, the medal is for fairest and best and by his own admission he had cheated by giving himself an unfair advantage. When it comes down to awards of this nature each athlete is ultimately responsible for what it is administered to them, he would not be an orphan in respect of losing his medal in the circumstances he finds himself.

    I just don't know how he can keep the medal under any logic, I don't believe he should carry much responsibility in all this, as any other player, but unfortunately they will need to adhere to the rules that govern a fair playing field, and therefore they should be penalised and stripped of all success, individual and team, that has a direct nexus to receiving an unfair advantage.


    He didn't admit to cheating at all Octopus!  He admitted to taking a supplement that he was told was all sweet.  A supplement that (apparently with evidence) the club was told was all sweet - by ASADA.

    If it was as black and white as you want to believe they would have all been stood down by now.  The only thing that is 'obvious' in all this is that nothing is obvious.

    Who are you, Caro Wilson?

     

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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts

    there are many who have been before him in other sports that have taken supplements that were eventually exposed as performance enhancing.

    Cycling and Swimming whilst aligned with individaul effort are primarily team events thse days. Especially the tours in cycling and the world events in smwimming. No single person in either of those sports develop their own training and supplement programs..it is done by teams.

    Ignorance isn't a defence..I still belive there is a descrepancy in whether what they took was or wasn't at the time; a prohibited substance. I hope it wasn't. But if it was then all players and administrators involved in the activities should be reomoved from any active role in the sport, or any sport for a long time.

    But i do agree we should be judge, jury and executioner until that time...

    :D
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Unfortunately ignorance isn't a valid excuse for WADA / ASADA
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  • CarlosaCarlosa    1,287 posts

    I agree with that Funk - and happy to cop the right whack when it is handed down, but geez, lose all points won in 2013 etc etc, give me a break!  BUT, if there is a 'mystery' document somewhere that shows ASADA declaring it fir for use, then it is not ignorance at all, and unfortunately (for some) how could the players be held to account for that?.

    On another, yet similar note, can someone please iddle me this; do Richmond lose all points they've won when Sam Lonergan has pulled on the boots this year?  Port Adelaide, similarly, with Angus Monfries?

    Presumably so, under the theories being agreed here...

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  • goosegoose    1,638 posts
    Of course I backed Cotchin last year in the Brownlow Funkster
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Carlosa said:

    I agree with that Funk - and happy to cop the right whack when it is handed down, but geez, lose all points won in 2013 etc etc, give me a break!  BUT, if there is a 'mystery' document somewhere that shows ASADA declaring it fir for use, then it is not ignorance at all, and unfortunately (for some) how could the players be held to account for that?.

    On another, yet similar note, can someone please iddle me this; do Richmond lose all points they've won when Sam Lonergan has pulled on the boots this year?  Port Adelaide, similarly, with Angus Monfries?

    Presumably so, under the theories being agreed here...

    Good point, but that was why I made the point that the club should cop the penalty (for their regime), not the players.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    P.s. Fielding Sam Lonergan is as good as losing points anyway..................

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