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Raceday treatment Ranger

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,489 posts
    when its rubbed on your nose and cheeks.....  :))

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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    GW will get of as I thought P Dyson fair  dinkum isn't he on the slide gone from trainer to track rider again ohh Dodger
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,489 posts
    trainer? c'mon dungy he'd be hard pressed to train wild ivy....
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  • houdini65houdini65    89 posts
    Legless said:


    #:-S a treat. That I will buy, call me gullible, whatever.

    Geez GW got off light IMHO - signed a dec and all - reckon he should buy a couple of lotto tickets

    hi i have been reading posts on this forum for well over 1 year ,some posts have been great , but rest assured racing in perth is the most corrupt in australia , the vanilla essence that was given to ranger really was vanila essence , but the effect it was supposed to have on Ranger was not as a stimulant but as a memory trigger for something else , in japan or hong kong or singapore 12 months would be the minimum that all connections with the horse would of got , but in the wild west all concerned only get a slap on the wrist , so corrupt is racing here that i have not renewed my membership to perth racing after more than 25 consecutive years of membership and i do not bet on perth racing any more

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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    Seriously get over it, what "normal" thinking person would consider vanilla essence a raceday treatment???.

    Some of you guys  have got your heads so far up your posterior you wouldn't see daylight for a month and to insinuate that it is an actual raceday treatment is just sheer stupidity but after seeing some of the comments on here from serial offenders it comes as no real surprise.

    Not surprisingly Bob Peters, who actually possesses some common sense and I'm sure that most would agree a great deal of integrity, has stood staunchly behind Grant Williams throughout this whole ridiculous saga.
    I'm not a friend of Grant's, I know him well enough to say hello to and have a brief chat with him if he's at the bar or something if it's one of the extremely rare occasions that I actually venture to the track so I hardly have a vested interest and for the record I backed several horses at odds in the race including Platinum Rocker.

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  • Aussiereds72Aussiereds72    601 posts
    Race day treatment is race day treatment doesn't matter what it is he should of known better

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  • houdini65houdini65    89 posts
    trojanhorse said:

    Theketaminekid said" .... If the stewards were comfortable that vanilla essence was the substance then they have stated the horse would not have been scratched.>


    where did you get this pearl? Not in any press report . Is it another of your attempts to pad up your "we did nothing" scenario. 
    PS just because the stewards have only imposed a fine of $3000, does not mean that is the only scenario - it means that given the evidence that is the level to which they can justify a penalty. I reckon they know the story but are hamstrung by lack of evidence.
    spot on

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  • wedgewedge    269 posts
    Andrew Carter said:

    Seriously get over it, what "normal" thinking person would consider vanilla essence a raceday treatment???.


    the on course vet said she wouldn't allow it - it contains alcohol

    maybe there are plenty of other trainers who would like use VE on their horses on race day but decided to stay within the rules of racing

    i don't make the rules, neither do you and the williams stable don't either

    until there is some serious penalties handed out to related parties then you are almost invited to take the risk

    after all there is a million on offer

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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    Andrew Carter said:

    Seriously get over it, what "normal" thinking person would consider vanilla essence a raceday treatment???.

    Some of you guys  have got your heads so far up your posterior you wouldn't see daylight for a month and to insinuate that it is an actual raceday treatment is just sheer stupidity but after seeing some of the comments on here from serial offenders it comes as no real surprise.

    Not surprisingly Bob Peters, who actually possesses some common sense and I'm sure that most would agree a great deal of integrity, has stood staunchly behind Grant Williams throughout this whole ridiculous saga.
    I'm not a friend of Grant's, I know him well enough to say hello to and have a brief chat with him if he's at the bar or something if it's one of the extremely rare occasions that I actually venture to the track so I hardly have a vested interest and for the record I backed several horses at odds in the race including Platinum Rocker.

    spot on
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    So having a horse primed for the Railway then having it scratched for no "logical" reason  when its one of the few suitable races in WA throughout the racing season that Ranger is suited to isn't a serious penalty and to then be fined 3k to boot. 
    So what would be satisfactory to you lot, how about having him whipped at the stake and then been told to write 1000 times on a black board with a tiny bit of chalk, vanilla essence is a raceday treatment and that makes about as much sense as the complete and utter dribble that's been espoused by some on here.

    Just another case of bad workmen / bad punters who can't handle the fact that they're constantly incorrect and blame everyone else but themselves for their failures and who then stick the boot into hard working industry people at every opportunity in a vain and pathetic attempt to make themselves feel a bit better.

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  • wedgewedge    269 posts
    Andrew Carter said:

    So having a horse primed for the Railway then having it scratched for no "logical" reason  when its one of the few suitable races in WA throughout the racing season that Ranger is suited to isn't a serious penalty and to then be fined 3k to boot. 
    So what would be satisfactory to you lot, how about having him whipped at the stake and then been told to write 1000 times on a black board with a tiny bit of chalk, vanilla essence is a raceday treatment and that makes about as much sense as the complete and utter dribble that's been espoused by some on here.

    Just another case of bad workmen / bad punters who can't handle the fact that they're constantly incorrect and blame everyone else but themselves for their failures and who then stick the boot into hard working industry people at every opportunity in a vain and pathetic attempt to make themselves feel a bit better.

    stewards acted to protect the punters and the integrity of the sport 

    he had the opportunity to request use of VE on raceday and he didn't as far as we know- i assume one of perths leading trainers and track work riders is privy to the rules of racing

    he/ they broke the rules and was caught - whats the problem?  

    andrew do you know the rules of racing?
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  • RIORIO    14,902 posts
    AC you lose track of the rules very quickly..

    Having said that i was surprised to read that they wouldn't have let the horse run due to the alcohol in VE. also i feel that RWWA has to roll out some training for their licensed operators.If these simple breaches of the rules can lead to such major pehalties to punters (horse scratched from our major race) it is obvious that trainers and the staff they employ are not aware of what the rules regarding these breaches are.

    GW pleaded guilty to what he was charged with..The VE was nothing more sinister than VE..The penalty???? Fair i reckon considering the horse was scratched...RWWA now need to get onto educating our industry about the rules and making sure such a mistake isn't made again....On ANY race-day.
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  • Buddy23Buddy23    127 posts
    Andrew Carter said:

    So having a horse primed for the Railway then having it scratched for no "logical" reason  when its one of the few suitable races in WA throughout the racing season that Ranger is suited to isn't a serious penalty and to then be fined 3k to boot. 
    So what would be satisfactory to you lot, how about having him whipped at the stake and then been told to write 1000 times on a black board with a tiny bit of chalk, vanilla essence is a raceday treatment and that makes about as much sense as the complete and utter dribble that's been espoused by some on here.

    Just another case of bad workmen / bad punters who can't handle the fact that they're constantly incorrect and blame everyone else but themselves for their failures and who then stick the boot into hard working industry people at every opportunity in a vain and pathetic attempt to make themselves feel a bit better.


    ;))
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  • magoo83magoo83    969 posts
    Andrew Carter said:

    So having a horse primed for the Railway then having it scratched for no "logical" reason  when its one of the few suitable races in WA throughout the racing season that Ranger is suited to isn't a serious penalty and to then be fined 3k to boot. 
    So what would be satisfactory to you lot, how about having him whipped at the stake and then been told to write 1000 times on a black board with a tiny bit of chalk, vanilla essence is a raceday treatment and that makes about as much sense as the complete and utter dribble that's been espoused by some on here.

    Just another case of bad workmen / bad punters who can't handle the fact that they're constantly incorrect and blame everyone else but themselves for their failures and who then stick the boot into hard working industry people at every opportunity in a vain and pathetic attempt to make themselves feel a bit better.


    alcohol is a banned substance, VE contains ALCOHOL maybe he should have been done for presenting a horse to race having been treated with a banned substance,
    You seriously think bob peters would have stood by him had ranger come out & won the railway yet have it taken away by a positive swab
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,489 posts

    BUT, from what i understand any swab would be negative.

    the horse ingested nothing.

    i'm on the fence with this one.

    do you really think GW would jeapodise his lucrative position as prime trainer for RJP?

    i think not.

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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    magoo83 said:


    Andrew Carter said:

    So having a horse primed for the Railway then having it scratched for no "logical" reason  when its one of the few suitable races in WA throughout the racing season that Ranger is suited to isn't a serious penalty and to then be fined 3k to boot. 
    So what would be satisfactory to you lot, how about having him whipped at the stake and then been told to write 1000 times on a black board with a tiny bit of chalk, vanilla essence is a raceday treatment and that makes about as much sense as the complete and utter dribble that's been espoused by some on here.

    Just another case of bad workmen / bad punters who can't handle the fact that they're constantly incorrect and blame everyone else but themselves for their failures and who then stick the boot into hard working industry people at every opportunity in a vain and pathetic attempt to make themselves feel a bit better.

    alcohol is a banned substance, VE contains ALCOHOL maybe he should have been done for presenting a horse to race having been treated with a banned substance, You seriously think bob peters would have stood by him had ranger come out & won the railway yet have it taken away by a positive swab
    Do not reckon it would have been picked up so dealing with a hypothetical. Bob Peters has more money than everybody on this site will dream of having. He will stand by his people it is only when they bite the hand that feeds them that they fall into trouble. Grant has enough runs on the board with his clean record in racing that he would be taken at face value in this case. Again you are falling into the trap of it being more sinister than what it was. Grant has admitted to the charge of vicarious negligence so end of story he was not aware it was happening and stewards have completed there investigation and are happy that this is the case.

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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    the falcon said:

    BUT, from what i understand any swab would be negative.

    the horse ingested nothing.

    i'm on the fence with this one.

    do you really think GW would jeapodise his lucrative position as prime trainer for RJP?

    i think not.

    On the fence Falc?

    Your posts, likes and dislikes tell a different story.
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    and the wheels on the bus go round an round, round an round, round an round - and the wheels on the bus go round an round ....... =))
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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    :))
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  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts
    You know when all is said and done, is vanilla essence a banned substance after all or can we expect a more pleasent experience smell wise than piss and manure! I look forward to all sorts of different aromas =))
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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    :-q
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,489 posts

    maybe i push the wrong button, fastmoney  :!! :))

    too right, legless, round and bloody round they go.

    a lot here would like to see GW tied to the winning post and shot at dawn.

    sanctimonious twerps..

    [-X

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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    the falcon said:

    maybe i push the wrong button, fastmoney  :!! :))

    Not pushing the wrong button, just full of ****.

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    edited November 2013
    nooo mate - not shot - just stoned, whipped and flogged and made to drink a bottle of stones green ginger :-)
    if he got through that - then a bottle of brandivino =:)

    on a serious note -
    I dont know the bloke (GW) however have been in the game a long time and everyone ( most good , some are shonky fuka's)  I speak to has the same opinion, there is no implication that anything untoward has happened.
    HOWEVER - the **** up was major - the press both here and over east has been bad - the penalty is a smack on the wrist.
    I would suggest because he is so clean and respected has a lot to do with this - BUT - he is dam lucky legless is not chief steward - because in old school lingo - he would have copped six of the very best !!
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  • AndrewCarterAndrewCarter    2,171 posts
    edited November 2013
    I think I basically said the same thing earlier falcon and I couldn't agree more.
    What next, bandages being used on a horse being considered raceday treatment or a twitch??? It's no more ludicrous than vanilla essence being considered a raceday treatment what happens if a stable hand is having a tic tac in the stalls accidentally drops it and the horse for whatever reason decides to pounce on it within the peripheral vision of our "esteemed" principal investigator is that raceday treatment???

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,489 posts
    should give a bottle of VE to wes in the mounting yard and see if it does keep flies away..that would solve the question....
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  • FastmoneyFastmoney    4,912 posts
    edited November 2013
    Andrew Carter said:

    I think I basically said the same thing earlier falcon and I couldn't agree more.
    What next, bandages being used on a horse being considered raceday treatment or a twitch??? It's no more ludicrous than vanilla essence being considered a raceday treatment what happens if a stable hand is having a tic tac in the stalls accidentally drops it and the horse for whatever reason decides to pounce on it within the peripheral vision of our "esteemed" principal investigator is that raceday treatment???

    AC (and falc), are you a fair dinkum moron(s)?

    No raceday treatment, is that too hard to work out?

    Where did bandages and a twitch come from?

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  • theketaminekidtheketaminekid    479 posts
    the falcon said:

    should give a bottle of VE to wes in the mounting yard and see if it does keep flies away..that would solve the question....

    =))
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    the falcon said:

    should give a bottle of VE to wes in the mounting yard and see if it does keep flies away..that would solve the question....

    no chance - I reckon they wait all week for him =))
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  • IntoItIntoIt    659 posts

    AC you dont think the stewards are "normal thinking people" then,  as they  scratched the horse thinking it had received raceday treatment. Big call!

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