WA RACING IS FAST BECOMING ABACK WATER

[DeletedUser] · April 2015

What a joke once again no sectional times for pinjarra today pathetic really they charge for u to watch replays of races no other state does and they cant even get distances right now.How bad is it embrassing.They go around doing interviews and think thats adding something.I spell it out for u boys people want information to wager so they can have a idea on what to put their money on which is turn over and keeps u all in a job.Keep this up and u will keep losing and be lost in the mist i have spoke to plenty of big punters they are giving up wa because they get better service else were.Be aware people who run racing lift your game or be left behind u are not getting another mining boom to bail u out again that u lived off long past its used by date.next time around u have to do something to get people interested might be a start to get your information in order and a site that works to boot would be some kind of start.THATS FREE ADVICE.

therealkramer · April 2015

I'd be more worried about the standard of riding than the lack of replays. How many times do you need to see a bad ride? Once is enough for me.

ColourfulRD · April 2015

just as many bad rides in the E/S

SLIPPERGOLDEN · April 2015

Another Mailman pseudonym?

WA racing for me is at an all time low. Very ordinary fields, very ordinary racing and at times very dubious competitiveness,

DamienWyer · April 2015

I don't agree with the thread title, as I think in most Clubs in WA, operate to the best of their abilities given the strength of the fields nominated.

City Racing however has gone downhill in quality in recent years. The domination of Bob Peters in all black type events this current season only underlines the lack of depth.

The ever diminishing field sizes are a genuine concern. I hope someone at RWWA is concerned as well.

But the single issue for me is integrity. Far too many questions have surrounded the last two seasons in particular, and in my opinion, RWWA have adopted a don't rock the boat attitude with a hope that everyone will behave and we don't get any untimed scandals during peak periods.

The iceberg on the horizon is debt. Metropolitan facilities are worse now than 10 years ago, and no amount of presentations and redevelopment public relations launches, will change the fact that nothing is happening and nothing will for many years. Generational change is required.

Breeding needs to stop settling for crap breeding to crap. Far too many races are being dominated by out of State breeding results. Magic Millions needs to commit to WA with a new sales complex and both they and Vendors need to campaign and market. Sitting back waiting for things to happen will never change anything.

We really need a super star of a racehorse here. In the end, that is the only thing that brings people to Racing. Problem with that though, is that those in charge wouldn't know what to do with one when they got it.

TheDiva · April 2015

A superstar Damien will race through his grades and then be forced to race over east. The racing is better, the prizemoney is better and our ratings system will dictate it. So you will never have a black caviar phenomenon in Perth.
I don't think a new sales complex will fix the breeding industry either, the problems are more deep seated than that.
It starts from prizemoney. The prizemoney in wa at present makes it very difficult to buy a decent priced yearling and break even, taking into account training feed and all of the costs. It's just not financially viable.

colin · April 2015

I think you have it arse-about.

If you build it, they will come (apologies to Kev).

The good horses used to come here. You need them back and races at the moment don't warrant the good one's.

GaryH · April 2015

A superstar Damien will race through his grades and then be forced to race over east. The racing is better, the prizemoney is better and our ratings system will dictate it. So you will never have a black caviar phenomenon in Perth.
I don't think a new sales complex will fix the breeding industry either, the problems are more deep seated than that.
It starts from prizemoney. The prizemoney in wa at present makes it very difficult to buy a decent priced yearling and break even, taking into account training feed and all of the costs. It's just not financially viable.

BUT we're not getting superstars?! We can't get a field in 72+ 1200m race.

No one wants to go to the track to see a 60+ race to pick a horse that can win its second ever lifetime win?! They want to see the next crop of local stars. Out of the two juvenile races Saturday, I'm blackbooking less then a handful.

The rest will run around to make numbers only.......or hope for a win carrying 51kg against one of our handful of superstars being made to carry 60 before jetting off over east?

TheDiva · April 2015

so whats your point?

we're not breeding any superstars any more?

or

we're handicapping out superstars out of perth racing and off to other places to race?

therealkramer · April 2015

Loved the reaction of Mitchell Pateman on Showy Chloe passing the finishing post in the Sires. That's the sort of thing that generates interest and competitive riding is really the point of this thread. The big punters won't bet on WA racing if they know the only market movers that win are the ones where the races have a certain stench to them. Notwithstanding the fact the Willie Pike is backed by Bob Peters, he has a large chunk of prizemoney all to himself. Sooner or later the also rans in the eastern states will pack up their saddles and try their hand in the west-or at least they should if they have any sense. Danny Beasley wants to re-establish himself in Sydney. I ask myself: why? It's the most competitive racing scene in the country. PR should be making approaches to him-particularly considering their alignment with Singapore races on Sundays.

RIO · April 2015

Good points.

But TRK why would he come here if the majority of trainers are on struggle street, and we have very few big dollar owners anymore, as there is very little chance for a good return from the input? The breeders are struggling to get a price for whatever it is they are selling. The owners are struggling to get a return due to a handful of studs holding onto their good ones, successful trainers buying good ones on the east and bringing them over.

RWWA are lost in how to fix this situation and how to justify to anyone why they want to increase distribution by another 25% when the government is desperate for money!!

PR can contribute nothing to prize money - and shouldn't anyway as that is not their job.

The ratings are so pharked that you get your 3 or 4 wins and you cant race here, yet if you go east you are a good country horse and or maybe stretch yourself into a winning midweeker....

The solution??? no real good ideas to be honest, except to accept that this is what our industry is. If you want to go after the group races, spend up on the east coast sales...If you want a nice mid week runner that may scrape into a weekend race occasionally, buy from our second rate breeding stock and have a bit of fun with it, and if you get lucky you may recover your training bills and have enough to tip into another one next year...AS I said...no good ideas from this buyer/breeder/punter

TheDiva · April 2015

I think you almost said it and the Essayez example is a good one.

If you play in the lower end of the market, $30k and less for a yearling.. then it can be financially viable.

When i say financially viable, Im talking about break even.

At that price, you can afford to bang around at the bush meetings, the odd midweeker, then if you happen to make it to town on a Saturday, you might even finish up in front.

Thoroly_Bread · April 2015

What are the trainers thoughts on all of this are they worried?

DamienWyer · April 2015

Rio average gate is 700-1200.

I'm not a fan of if you build it they will come. They will come but just once to see the white elephant.

Buying yearlings won't be cheap with a chance of a good return for most folks. Sure you will get the odd one but most good horses sell for a reasonable price. Perhaps the best way forward is a group buying three or four yearlings and racing them with one Trainer. Based on the Esseyez experience, the size of the share doesn't seem to matter in terms of the enjoyment.

Carlosa · April 2015

Racing crowds have never been dominated by owners. I would assume there are more owners than ever before, with syndicates etc. Yearling prices, what's bred out of what etc etc would have bugger all correaltion to crowd sizes...

It's the punt, that's what will get people through the gates. With technology enabling us to punt at the click of a button, and to watch the races we've punted on anywhere we want, we don't have to go to the track, pure and simple...Stop looking for other reasons. We're lazy creatures.

If the track was the place you HAD to go to get a bet on, you'd have 15k every meet. And they would not give a toss about the quality of horse or who owned it.

paraletic · April 2015

I think maybe our festival of PR needs a change. Maybe a new spot on the calendar so horses are set to come to perth. Hoping and praying that an Emirates Stakes 5th place getter will make the free trip over to Perth when he/she is all but burned out is not good for the status here. However, I have no idea when the new festival could be placed. (I don't even know if it's possible). And it should include the Karrakatta, Oaks and Derby.

H-BOMBER · April 2015

I completely agree. If the racecourse was the only place to get a bet on.....or to watch a race, the place would be packed. The online betting and in home broadcasting has to be the reason. We all know that.

and I don't think it can be fixed

:-?

RIO · April 2015

H-BOMBER said:
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and I don't think it can be fixed
:-?

i agree with that sentiment a lot....so make it comfortable for those who attend...whether it be a 800 or 2900 group of attendees(as i have had it clarified its not a crowd)

Most times i go to the track i pre-bet via fixed my bets anyway.....and just have a few novelties at the track...for me it is too hard to talk, drink and also remember what sounded a good thing the night before!!!

LuckyLongshots · April 2015

I went to Karrakatta Day and Derby Day, and I could have lobbbed a cricket ball and not hit anyone!

The crowds were OK at best!

Made getting a drink and a bet on easy!

lick · April 2015

$8.50 for a $2 beer - races 40 minutes apart - for 12 minutes of racing - too expensive a day and far too long a day for Joe and Jill Bloggs wanting an afternoon of racing.

1.30pm, 2pm, 2.30pm, 3pm, 3.30pm, 4pm, 4.30pm 5pm race times.

Would suit punters, trainers, jockeys, race club staff.

Bean · April 2015

Gary H said:
A superstar Damien will race through his grades and then be forced to race over east. The racing is better, the prizemoney is better and our ratings system will dictate it. So you will never have a black caviar phenomenon in Perth.
I don't think a new sales complex will fix the breeding industry either, the problems are more deep seated than that.
It starts from prizemoney. The prizemoney in wa at present makes it very difficult to buy a decent priced yearling and break even, taking into account training feed and all of the costs. It's just not financially viable.
BUT we're not getting superstars?! We can't get a field in 72+ 1200m race.

No one wants to go to the track to see a 60+ race to pick a horse that can win its second ever lifetime win?! They want to see the next crop of local stars. Out of the two juvenile races Saturday, I'm blackbooking less then a handful.

The rest will run around to make numbers only.......or hope for a win carrying 51kg against one of our handful of superstars being made to carry 60 before jetting off over east?

Bean · April 2015

I agree that once ur horse becomes a listed runner as its ratings are high there is limited races for it. Only races are 72+ and the very rare 78+. In these races u will be top weight 60kg+ all the time. Plus the stewards drop the ratings half as fast as they do putting them up. Very drustrating having half a decent horse then u got some stupid computer that keeps drawing you wide barriers?? What's the go with that.
Also you have to pay for a nomination fee for the listed races!! What a crock of shit. Becomes expensive

Bean · April 2015

RIO · April 2015

Do you really think having a race every 30 minutes and cheap beer would get the punters back to the track???
The punters i know aren't too keen to drink while there punting...and the drinkers i know don't punt when they drink!!
Am confident changing them wouldn't get many punters back...how about $5 to hire an iPad for the day with every bookies app loaded on the screen, that is betting on the meeting, along with free wi-fi... reckon that'd have more chance of attracting punters than $2 beers..

TheDiva · April 2015

From my perspective, turnover was horribly down Saturday and that includes online. In the sites, I could not lay either pushin shapes or showy Chloe and was betting best price both at the jump. That is unheard of!
Crowd attendance is not the only thing suffering.

[DeletedUser] · April 2015

Big punters are not beting diva they are moving away this should be ringing bells to the people that are running the place.I have said this before and i will say it again now the mining boom is over u are going to see how badly run alot of bussiness are they have been asleep at wheel for years..On the gravey train thats about to go over a cliff like we have never seen before in this country.Perth and wa racing does not understand the big punters want information thats easy to come by and user friendly.A one stop shop.they are not going to have they 2k bets on a horse u cant get a replay of a sectional time a distance thats wrong week in week out

[DeletedUser] · April 2015

ww.dailyreckoning.com.au/iron-bust-serious/2015/04/13/ This is only the start what goes up will always come down its what u do well the good times are here will see to your future.

Legless · April 2015

The Diva said:
From my perspective, turnover was horribly down Saturday and that includes online. In the sites, I could not lay either pushin shapes or showy Chloe and was betting best price both at the jump. That is unheard of!
Crowd attendance is not the only thing suffering.

Is there anyway of knowing what WATAB turnover was on the meeting compared to the same last year?

RIO · April 2015

no, but my fat fingers did the following manual addittion off the Ozbet site!!!!

2015....2.665mil
2014....2.636mil

Legless · April 2015

so up a lazy 29 mill - so you would have to think they are not saying it is doom and gloom

RIO · April 2015

nah...ozbet figures, there was a fullstop after the 2, so only a 29k increase

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