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the way he's doing it is only going to burn cash real quick no one in 350 years has been able to do it that way so they must be mad if they think they can but as i said before only face value as i don't know him, i don't know the details of it all
but i do know they'll be pushing gelati up hill
Alan Macalister has always made decisions in respect to his broodmares mostly himself. Occasionally I got involved with several purchases on the East Coast. But ultimately Alan decided if he did or didn't want a particular mare.
As far as My Atacanta is concerned, he purchased him at Goffs in Ireland on advice from one of the most powerful families in Racing, themselves owners of a Melbourne Cup winner. His advice when this yearling was offered for sale was to purchase him as his future Stallion. In the past two seasons he has mostly become a private Stallion but if someone would like to have their mare serviced, a token sum was charged. If he never receives another outside mare it won't make a difference to his ultimate career.
I have been involved in many of the horses purchased at sales for the Macalisters. Demimonde, Magnifisio, and Star of the Orient come to mind of recent times. For that reason, Alan and Birgitt trusted me to market their Stallion through internet and to organise race sponsorships and give him a profile beyond where his race record could have achieved. I think that has been delivered. But for quite awhile now, I haven't directly advised them, nor been paid for such as an agent. I continue to assist with My Atacanta out of friendship.
When statements are made about their choices that they have made, it brings into question why should they support WA Racing to the level they do if this is the sort of rhetoric that can come from it. They have over 100 horses, employ two Trainers, several more with horses in partnerships with other owners. They have around 30 mares plus babies at a commercial farm just waiting to be rotated home. A backlog waiting to go to breakers and pre-trainers, transport companies, feed merchants, the list just goes on and on. They directly employ many people who otherwise would be wondering where the next client was coming from. All of them are paid, unlike the reference that was made to another.
But because people who hide behind made up names on this site think they know better, I have to defend my involvement and their continued patronage. So to those who think it is OK to do this, give consideration to what you may create by continuing to upset people who are prepared to have a go.
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i have never mocked the stallion , i even added the lines that will bring out his best but the only thing i can see he's doing right on the subject is supporting the stallion , but seriously why not spend big dollars on a few mares and built an empire, then support your own stallion rather than throwing money hand over fist ? it takes 20+ years you cant shorten it you need the mare's first then in 15 years after you've perfected the line then you get the stallion sure your going to discard 80+% but your left with the best. .all's that's going to happen is eventually saying stuff it this racing games a mugs game. on a road to get burnt and never return was the tinkler remark i don't doubt the bills being paid that wasn't my intention and apologize if it was taken that way
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Fact 2. Does the saying putting all ones eggs in the same basket is fraught with danger ring any bells.
Fact 3. When breeding from my former mare she had 7 foals by different sires for 6 to race for 6 winners
from a very limited budget using my own knowledge.
Fact 4 . Imagine what I may have done if I was a rich person owning my own farm and using any stallion
no matter the price.
Fact 5. Just keep buying Lotto tickets.
Fact 6. Pray.
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Or am i really missing something. @Spudley did you not even own any of the horse?
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I sold a nice horse to a bunch of good blokes and even though it was my opinion the horse is a 1000m speedster....they wanted to get it over ground. That is completely their prerogative, even though I thought they were wrong.
the money is in the bank, I am out of play.
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1. You sold your horse with no conditions
2. The new owner bought your horse to put with his stallion
3 An offer was given to the new owner after he had purchased it to go to Dick Turpin for a very reduced fee
4 New owner is polite and says thanks for the offer (New Stallion on the block being touted) So owner thinks I bought the mare to put with Dick Turpin (your a goose mate)
5 Its gone nothing to do with you anymore 100% owned by me
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Just in case you throw up any more incomplete shit
one of my trainers offered for free to train the horse till it went to stud in the hope she could get some money
never happened but she tried 7 Leave Damien alone he has nothing to do with this & you are implying he was unethical looks like you could be sued & I would be a great witness
7 Put this thread to bed
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imo yes fantastic on the part i know as a breed to race
ask for stallion options under the broodmare thread on thoroughbred village with mare name and state, you will be given plenty of information and options on what works then it's up to you to decide
RACING is built on dreams. For most there is not the hoped-for ending, but for New South Wales farmer Roger Gorham an ambition that he has held dear since the death of his father 40 years ago finally came to fruition earlier this year and might have an encore at Moonee Valley today.
Gorham 53, was still in short pants when his father died of cancer, aged just 41, but Gorham senior had bred the odd harness horse and his son followed them with great interest.
One of those named Koala Frost, (sire of grand circuit champion Koala King) won the 1970 Lord Mayors Cup at Harold Park, beating Bold David as well as winning the inaugural Carousel Final, and from that time in his life Roger Gorham wanted to emulate his dad.
The trouble was that he followed him into the farming business and there was not a lot of spare cash to spend on dreams.
Gorham thought he would get around to it one day, but reality hit when his sister and brother also died of cancer within a couple of years of each other.
''It was always a dream of mine to breed a group 1 horse like dad, but I couldn't afford to,'' he said.
''But when my brother and sister died, I thought, 'quick, it doesn't matter whether you could afford to do it or not, I might be the next one to go'.''
While he might not have had the money to spend, Gorham had spent plenty of time looking through pedigrees and at stallions he might one day use.
Cost was always going to be the determining factor in his choice of stallion and mare, and after much research Gorham settled on Blue Gum Farm's Umatilla.
''He [Umatilla] had a great pedigree and has as good a stake-winners-to-runners ratio as much more expensive stallions.
''I'm just a busted-arse farmer and a $4000 stallion was what I could afford.''
However, the choice of Umatilla, a descendant of the great broodmare Best In Show, went deeper than price, because Gorham wanted to replicate the breeding of members of the Best In Show family that he had observed to be a highly successful mating. After six months of searching, he located a mare named Yours As Always from that family at an Inglis mixed sale in Melbourne in March 2006.
''I got there late the night before the sale and slept in my swag in the float. I was only there to buy the one horse and luckily I was able to get her for $5000.''
In due course Yours As Always produced a Umatilla colt, not the filly Gorham had hoped to breed on with.
As a result the colt, the first horse he had bred, was on the market and eventually headed to the Inglis Classic Yearling Sale, with Gorham preparing him himself rather than using a professional yearling vendor.
''It was my hobby and I didn't see any point in handing him over to someone else to prepare for the sale.''
Buyers showed little interest in the colt and he was knocked down for just $8000 to the owners of Yours As Always' previous foal.
''I can tell you, only four people looked at him and I know that because I sat there for four days. I was gutted and thought what was the point of breeding a nice horse and getting such a pathetic price. What a stupid hobby,'' he said.
The year the colt was foaled, the plan had been to send his dam back to Umatilla, but the day before she was due to head to Victoria, equine influenza struck, meaning those plans were cancelled and she then failed to conceive to another Best In Show family stallion, Spinning World.
After the disappointing result at the yearling sale, Gorham did not bother sending his mare to stud in the next two years but kept her ''just in case''.
As the colt who was named Sincero started to show serious ability, Gorham decided to give Yours As Always another chance, but with Umatilla retired, Spinning World was again his choice.
The 19-year-old got in foal but died of natural causes this year.
Meanwhile, Sincero has won the Stradbroke Handicap and George Main Stakes and nearly $1.5 million in stakes and today will be aiming to take out the Cox Plate, with Gorham, who has never owned a racehorse, driving down to take it all in.
''It's a great thrill to have a runner and unbelievable to breed a great horse, just like my father.''
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https://sites.google.com/site/cosmosthoroughbredpedigrees/home/pedigrees/mabille---a-genetic-legacy
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Gee few knockers out there ...... If a bloke wants to pump so money into the industry in these tough times then hats off to the bloke. If there not spending your "sweet sweet moolah" then whats it to ya ?
Atacanta (IRE)
Bay 2004 Traditionally
Chestnut 1997 Mr Prospector
Bay 1970 Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961 Native Dancer
Raise You 1950
1946 5-f
8-f
Gold Digger
Bay 1962 Nashua
Sequence 1952
1946 3-m
13-c
Personal Ensign
Bay 1984 Private Account
Bay 1976 Damascus
Numbered Account 1964
1969 8-h
1-s
Grecian Banner
Black 1974 Hoist the Flag
Dorine 1968
1958 5-i
6-a
Rihan
Bay or brown 1994 Dayjur
Bay or brown 1987 Danzig
Bay 1977 Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom 1961
1968 2-d
7-a
Gold Beauty
Bay 1979 Mr Prospector
Stick to Beauty 1970
1973 13-c
1-g
Sweet Roberta
Bay 1987 Roberto
Bay 1969 Hail to Reason
Bramalea 1958
1959 4-n
12-c
Candy Bowl
Bay 1981 Majestic Light
Quick Cure 1973
1971 8-c
2-s
Matinee Magic (AUS)
Black 2003 Bletchley Park
Bay 1989 Caerleon
Bay 1980 Nijinsky
Bay 1967 Northern Dancer
Flaming Page 1961
1959 2-d
8-f
Foreseer
Bay or brown 1969 Round Table
Regal Gleam 1954
1964 2-f
1-s
Enigma
Bay 1983 Ahonoora
Chestnut 1975 Lorenzaccio
Helen Nichols 1965
1966 5-h
1-m
Princess Ru
Bay 1962 Princely Gift
Chiru 1951
1948 13-a
8-c
Lucy Tudor
Grey 1995 Statoblest
Bay 1986 Ahonoora
Chestnut 1975 Lorenzaccio
Helen Nichols 1965
1966 5-h
1-m
Statira
Bay 1969 Skymaster
Parysatis 1958
1960 2-e
9-b
Coin of Gold
Grey 1975 Wilkes
Chestnut 1952 Court Martial
Sans Tares 1942
1939 1-p
13-c
Fraction
Grey 1956 Damtar
Favour 1948
1946 13-c
13-a
Ancestor duplications: Mr Prospector 3m,5f x Northern Dancer 5m x 5m Ahonoora x 4f,4m
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Incidentally, I understand My Atacanta now stands at his Owners farm.
Here he is as a young 11 week old foal at Waterford Stud.
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Brained them