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Retrospective Swab Tests

West Australian Racing
SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,452 posts
edited May 2016 West Australian Racing
With the Olympic chiefs announcing drug cheats from previous Olympic Games it makes me wonder where we are at on the racing front. For how long are swab samples kept? Is there any retrospective testing going on? I don't recall anyone being caught retrospectively.
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  • AmyquilAmyquil    250 posts
    Would love it to be done but I imagine it would be expensive and also be hard to retrieve stake money.

    Still, I imagine stewards have their suspicions and could target test.
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  • RodentRodent    7,470 posts
    They couldn't do it as it would destroy racing's good name  =))

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  • bradybrady    1,463 posts
    Know a few punters
    That need testing !
    Ha ha

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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,452 posts
    A huge Shh then.
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  • frenc11frenc11    102 posts
    It would open up a huge can of worms and destroy the integrity of racing
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  • SLIPPERGOLDENSLIPPERGOLDEN    8,452 posts
    If it isn't being done for that reason Frenc then that says it all about the integrity of racing.

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  • frenc11frenc11    102 posts
    SLIPPERGOLDEN said:

    If it isn't being done for that reason Frenc then that says it all about the integrity of racing.


    testing is always improving, so it is natural that drugs that slipped through the net a decade ago will be picked up nowadays
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  • SuperSnoopSuperSnoop    164 posts
    forget retrospective swabbing, we havent even rubbed out the bloke who returned a positive in a listed race in december last year.

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  • frenc11frenc11    102 posts
    Super Snoop said:

    forget retrospective swabbing, we havent even rubbed out the bloke who returned a positive in a listed race in december last year.


    somethings never change
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  • AmyquilAmyquil    250 posts
    edited June 2016
    Amyquil said:

    Would love it to be done but I imagine it would be expensive and also be hard to retrieve stake money.

    Still, I imagine stewards have their suspicions and could target test.

    I apologise for quoting myself but it would be of value simply as a name and shame exercise.

    I wonder, would the guilty, unpunished party then get less or more horses?

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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    imagine a positive, lets say from the railway 7 years ago. The owners of the horse that ran 2nd are entitled to a load more cash and RWWA would be obliged to cough up,  and the winning owner(s) would be required to repay all their winnings.

    Big chance $$ have been spent long ago - what are they to do - sell their house to repay it or face becoming a defaulter?

    Just one of many scenarios I can think of and would open up a HUGE can of worms
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  • tonytony    2,436 posts
    Interesting watching a discussion with Ray Murrihy today.

    He said NSW were extensively testing frozen samples from (I think) 7 years ago.

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,486 posts
    chuck the bloody things out and start with a clean slate...this retro is garbage, its blood under the bridge, if they got away with it years ago, that's it.
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  • LeglessLegless    5,108 posts
    bullshite falc - its a constant battle between the drug cheats and the regulators - if the cheating swines know they may be pulled up in 10 years time may make them think twice
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  • AmyquilAmyquil    250 posts
    the falcon said:

    chuck the bloody things out and start with a clean slate...this retro is garbage, its blood under the bridge, if they got away with it years ago, that's it.

    the falcon said:

    chuck the bloody things out and start with a clean slate...this retro is garbage, its blood under the bridge, if they got away with it years ago, that's it.

    Spoken like a true conservative

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  • jumjum    3,581 posts
    the falcon said:

    chuck the bloody things out and start with a clean slate...this retro is garbage, its blood under the bridge, if they got away with it years ago, that's it.




    Retro Testing is a very good idea.

     I would not recommend disqualifying horses or even releasing that information. It would open up a Huge can of worms as Legless has stated.   

    But it would allow stewards the information on which trainers are out and out CHEATS. There would be plenty of trainers that were using undetectable stuff 7 years ago that would still training today. And today would have more modern undetectable stuff. Stewards would then be able to put the screws down on them.

    Once a Cheat gets away with it, They will always cheat. At least then Stewards would know who's who in the zoo of cheetahs.

     

    :D

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  • RodentRodent    7,470 posts
    They'd just blame it on some staff member they had all those years ago.

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  • JayJayJayJay    8,624 posts
    It is an interesting topic but.....what is "illegal" today was not necessarily illegal 7 or 10 or however many years ago. Steroid treatment was above board and par for the course, in fact recommended by vets decades ago, especially for geldings...   and a 7 year old retest that comes up positive for say cobalt could not be the basis for a prosecution as the rules have only recently been amended to make it against the rules. So to a certain extent, retrospective testing would not enable wholesale disqualification of "offenders". It is the same with bicarb cases...horses were drenched with bicarb to avoid muscle tie up for decades prior to the 36 limit being invoked...and trainers who administered it prior to the rule change were doing nothing wrong. On the other hand, when an illegal substance like etorphine was being used, it was clearly against the rules but there was no test available, so in that instance, retrospective penalties could and should be applied.

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