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silky · April 2018

Ionyx had the run prior over 1500m, maybe the camp wanted a truly run race to benefit their horse. I'm sure if Randy Tan had his time again though, he'd probably take a sit outside the speed. If that was the case I'd be backing LC to win the race. Taking nothing away from the winner though LHMR was super. It would great to see more races run here with some sort of genuine tempo

psycho · April 2018

I watched the race and if you take Ionyx out of the race (just imagine this when watching a replay) the 2 Miller horses would have sat 1st and 2nd and I guarantee you they would have gone slow sprinted from the turn and run one-two. Then we would have had people saying no other jockeys took the initiative and just let the Miller horses walk along in a gift. Personally I do not believe LC and VR were majorly affected "just my 2 cents worth" and I have punting for near on 50 years and seen some real shockers over those years

Squiddy · April 2018

He is a sook!

britbrat · April 2018

Seems a lot of these posts reckon Simon Miller is sooking.Forget about him and look at what the owners would have been feeling.

Valour Road 84 rater.Lordhelpmerun 70 rater.Lady Cosmology 75 rater.Ionyx 60 rater

It was a set weights race and my contention is it had no hope of beating the high rated horses so why was it sooled to the lead when it wasn't going to figure in the finish and interfere with the winning chances of the best horses in the race.

What would the Simon Miller runners owners have been saying to him.

Its a fiasco the Stewards should have taken a stand on before the race.

thefalcon · April 2018

?? "before the race"...how the hell would they know what was about to unfold?

Nosey · April 2018

@britbrat Ionyx led, just as it led (and won) at it's last start. Granted, the horse was well out of it's class in this race, but it qualified to run.

A race not being run to suit certain horses does not constitute a "fiasco".

It's racing. Welcome to game.

britbrat · April 2018

You obviously haven't been in the game long Nosey.How did Ionyx qualify to run? Theres no criteria to run in the race which is the heart of my argument

3 maidens started in the Sires and it's a Group 3 race.

Give me a break

RIO · April 2018

So your issue is with the handicapper britbrat for accepting the horse??? Not the stewards??

GLAMOUR · April 2018

SAa

britbrat said:
You obviously haven't been in the game long Nosey.How did Ionyx qualify to run? Theres no criteria to run in the race which is the heart of my argument
3 maidens started in the Sires and it's a Group 3 race.
Give me a break

As normal 10 horse feild snd it was was there to fill fill the feild,cant believe running these 2yr old races so close together.,how many of these 2yrs will come back as 3yr olds.thats the usual practice if they race as 2yr olds they dont come back as 3yr olds.

therealkramer · April 2018

Remember the Silver Slipper? The subsequent Golden Slipper fav was an even money fav on this day. Neutrality(Blake Shinn) was beaten 10len after carving up the leader mid race

http://racing.racingnsw.com.au/FreeFields/VideoResult.aspx?MeetDate=2018Feb24&VenueCode=MTI1NjQwMA==&RaceNumber=3&MeetingCategory=Professional&VideoFileType=FullReplay

Chelsea · April 2018

GLAMOUR said:
SAa
britbrat said:
You obviously haven't been in the game long Nosey.How did Ionyx qualify to run? Theres no criteria to run in the race which is the heart of my argument
3 maidens started in the Sires and it's a Group 3 race.
Give me a break

As normal 10 horse feild snd it was was there to fill fill the feild,cant believe running these 2yr old races so close together.,how many of these 2yrs will come back as 3yr olds.thats the usual practice if they race as 2yr olds they dont come back as 3yr olds.

Normally the case but you do get exceptions,Example Dainty Tess

GLAMOUR · April 2018

Chelsea said:

GLAMOUR said:
SAa
britbrat said:
You obviously haven't been in the game long Nosey.How did Ionyx qualify to run? Theres no criteria to run in the race which is the heart of my argument
3 maidens started in the Sires and it's a Group 3 race.
Give me a break

As normal 10 horse feild snd it was was there to fill fill the feild,cant believe running these 2yr old races so close together.,how many of these 2yrs will come back as 3yr olds.thats the usual practice if they race as 2yr olds they dont come back as 3yr olds.

Normally the case but you do get exceptions,Example Dainty Tess

She is a Superstar.

Tivers · April 2018

There was a period after Ascot track was relaid (and it was concrete for years) where it was rare for anything to go on (all wrecked), but that seems to have subsided now as the track has worn in / softened up.

TheDiva · April 2018

I would not be happy if I had owned Lady Cosmology and thought I was going to lead.

However, you cant go telling certain horses they "cant" lead or cant be in the race.

It was unfortunate because probably one of Valour Rd or Lady Cos win if not for Ionyx... but thats racing. You deal with what you're dished up.

hollda09 · April 2018

TheDiva said:
I would not be happy if I had owned Lady Cosmology and thought I was going to lead.
However, you cant go telling certain horses they "cant" lead or cant be in the race.
It was unfortunate because probably one of Valour Rd or Lady Cos win if not for Ionyx... but thats racing. You deal with what you're dished up.

I thought you were in the rodent camp? The horse had every chance yadda yadda, but now your saying it probably would have won had Ionyx not been there. So did Lady have every chance or not according to you? I'm confused.

spinking · April 2018

unfortunate for the connections of LC but as you said Diva , you cant go saying who or who should not be in the race. Ionyx had every reason to be in the race just like the other 3 maidens engaged. As you stated that's racing deal with it. Who is SM to be name calling not up to him to decide how races should or should not be run , also dont see other trainers telling him how his horses should or should not be ridden

TheDiva · April 2018

hollda09 said:

TheDiva said:
I would not be happy if I had owned Lady Cosmology and thought I was going to lead.
However, you cant go telling certain horses they "cant" lead or cant be in the race.
It was unfortunate because probably one of Valour Rd or Lady Cos win if not for Ionyx... but thats racing. You deal with what you're dished up.
I thought you were in the rodent camp? The horse had every chance yadda yadda, but now your saying it probably would have won had Ionyx not been there. So did Lady have every chance or not according to you? I'm confused.

how is that confusing? if you let Lady Cos and Valour Rd lob in front and control the race... they probably run 1/2 (depending on how Lordhelpme was ridden).

But by Ionyx upsetting the apple cart and leading... it took a way a pretty big advantage that everyone thought both of them would get.

Lady Cos... in my opinion, sitll had its chance to win.

therealkramer · April 2018

Does Ionyx finish 15.5len last if it doesn't push on when Valour Road, caught three wide, tries for the lead? Tan was trying to keep the Miller runner wide rather than worrying about his own chances. If Valour Road leads, Lady Cosmology still has the rail and Ionyx is outside her. Leading at all costs is not riding to won imo and the margin gives that opinion credence.

hollda09 · April 2018

TheDiva said:

hollda09 said:

TheDiva said:
I would not be happy if I had owned Lady Cosmology and thought I was going to lead.
However, you cant go telling certain horses they "cant" lead or cant be in the race.
It was unfortunate because probably one of Valour Rd or Lady Cos win if not for Ionyx... but thats racing. You deal with what you're dished up.
I thought you were in the rodent camp? The horse had every chance yadda yadda, but now your saying it probably would have won had Ionyx not been there. So did Lady have every chance or not according to you? I'm confused.
how is that confusing? if you let Lady Cos and Valour Rd lob in front and control the race... they probably run 1/2 (depending on how Lordhelpme was ridden).
But by Ionyx upsetting the apple cart and leading... it took a way a pretty big advantage that everyone thought both of them would get.
Lady Cos... in my opinion, sitll had its chance to win.

So by Ionyx doing what he did, lady cosmo still had every chance to win the race? In your opinion.

GaryH · April 2018

hollda09 said:

TheDiva said:

hollda09 said:

TheDiva said:
I would not be happy if I had owned Lady Cosmology and thought I was going to lead.
However, you cant go telling certain horses they "cant" lead or cant be in the race.
It was unfortunate because probably one of Valour Rd or Lady Cos win if not for Ionyx... but thats racing. You deal with what you're dished up.
I thought you were in the rodent camp? The horse had every chance yadda yadda, but now your saying it probably would have won had Ionyx not been there. So did Lady have every chance or not according to you? I'm confused.
how is that confusing? if you let Lady Cos and Valour Rd lob in front and control the race... they probably run 1/2 (depending on how Lordhelpme was ridden).
But by Ionyx upsetting the apple cart and leading... it took a way a pretty big advantage that everyone thought both of them would get.
Lady Cos... in my opinion, sitll had its chance to win.
So by Ionyx doing what he did, lady cosmo still had every chance to win the race? In your opinion.

Doesn't matter. As long as the ride of Randy gave Ionyx every chance to place as high as possible. Which, is what a lot of people are upset about, as they think it only raced to upset the favorites (like 90% of WA races).

If Ionyx sits off and comes at them late, then the two Miller horses probably finish 1/2, and Ionyx is probably lucky to finish in 6th. BUT it doesn't matter if it finishes 6th or last, it still get the same size cheque.

So why not race up to the leaders and push for the lead at all cost? Yep, finished 15 1/2 lengths last, but there was a chance it could have won? OK, very little, but who can blame them for trying?

Is it good for turnover (punter confidence in WA racing)......thats what the stewards are for, and they didn't see an issue.

spinking · April 2018

there seems to be a few bagging Randolphs ride I think he was only riding to instruction so no blame on him in my opinion .No blame on the Roy either if that's how he wanted it ridden . Personally don't see why people are blowing up . There horse they paid up for they can do what they want as long as no rule has been Brocken . Correct weight pay tote move on

saxonsaxoff · April 2018

I though I better watch a replay of the race and I'm not sure what else people were expecting randy to do. He has jumped well and pushed up to get a spot outside the leader, looks to try and take a hold of the horse to get cover and it fires up, when it 1st goes to the front its hard on the steel with mouth wide open. If he fights it any harder it finishes 30 lengths last.

hash · April 2018

spinking said:
Personally don't see why people are blowing up. Correct weight pay tote move on

The two hotpots in a group 3 got rolled of course people are going to have something to say post race 8-}

spinking · April 2018

Yeah the ones talking through there pockets. No matter how much conjecture you want to go on with as I said correct weight move on . Favourites get beat all over the country each week . If people were under the impression the race would play out as obviously and easily as they thought and those two would get a cheap lead maybe they should do a bit more study

therealkramer · April 2018

spinking said:
Yeah the ones talking through there pockets.

That's precisely the point. There's no industry if punters think they're not getting a fair go.

H-BOMBER · April 2018

Nothing in the stewards report speaks volumes to me. If they are fine with the way the race was run then it is deemed a fair and reasonable race. No matter what you think of them, they are the governing entity and what they say goes?

FWIW I think if you pay up for the race and you ride within the rules then fair play move on. Ionyx rider has done nothing wrong within the rules? Or have they?

therealkramer · April 2018

H-BOMBER said:
FWIW I think if you pay up for the race and you ride within the rules then fair play move on. Ionyx rider has done nothing wrong within the rules? Or have they?

In the example I provided Blake Shinn didn't do anything wrong either and the stewards did nothing more than ask questions. The horse that lost, as a $2 fav, went on to win the Golden Slipper but on this day it was rolled after being attacked in front. Estijaab was expected to get an uncontested lead in the Silver Slipper, hence its short price.

"Neutrality – rider B Shinn advised that when caught wide in the early stages he elected to
cross Sunlight and race outside the leader Estijaab rather than cover additional ground. He
said, whilst his mount initially responded to his riding in the straight, he was somewhat
disappointed with its finishing effort, particularly in circumstances where it was unable to hold
off third placegetter Gongs. A post-race veterinary examination did not reveal any
abnormalities."

Godd · April 2018

spinking said:
there seems to be a few bagging Randolphs ride I think he was only riding to instruction so no blame on him in my
opinion .No blame on the Roy either if that's how he wanted it ridden . Personally don't see why people are blowing up . There horse they paid up for they can do what they want as long as no rule has been Brocken . Correct weight pay tote move on

Yay, commensence prevails

paraletic · April 2018

spinking said:
there seems to be a few bagging Randolphs ride I think he was only riding to instruction so no blame on him in my opinion .No blame on the Roy either if that's how he wanted it ridden . Personally don't see why people are blowing up . There horse they paid up for they can do what they want as long as no rule has been Brocken . Correct weight pay tote move on

on racing radio this morning an owner of Ionyx texted Gareth Hall to say instructions were "not to lead". Found this very interesting. Knowing this will the stewards now ask questions of the jock?

TheDiva · April 2018

hollda09 said:

TheDiva said:

hollda09 said:

TheDiva said:
I would not be happy if I had owned Lady Cosmology and thought I was going to lead.
However, you cant go telling certain horses they "cant" lead or cant be in the race.
It was unfortunate because probably one of Valour Rd or Lady Cos win if not for Ionyx... but thats racing. You deal with what you're dished up.
I thought you were in the rodent camp? The horse had every chance yadda yadda, but now your saying it probably would have won had Ionyx not been there. So did Lady have every chance or not according to you? I'm confused.
how is that confusing? if you let Lady Cos and Valour Rd lob in front and control the race... they probably run 1/2 (depending on how Lordhelpme was ridden).
But by Ionyx upsetting the apple cart and leading... it took a way a pretty big advantage that everyone thought both of them would get.
Lady Cos... in my opinion, sitll had its chance to win.
So by Ionyx doing what he did, lady cosmo still had every chance to win the race? In your opinion.

Absolutely had every chance.
Don’t forget, lady cosmos rider doesn’t get to decide what ionyx rider does.
He certainly had more chance than getting in a chop up with ionyx

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