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Training costs Kal, Gero etc?

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RodentRodent    7,472 posts
West Australian Racing
What does it cost to have one trained in say Kal, Gero Esperance, Albany?
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    would depend on the trainer, rodent.
    eg woolf trains from albany, his rates would be higher than others in the area. 
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  • jumjum    3,582 posts
    How good if a trainer jumped on here and gave us a price.... :D 
    Could get another PTT horse up and going like ESSAYEZZ 10 years ago 
    :x :\">
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  • ManchildManchild    840 posts
    Rodent, I dont know exactly but I would think about $100 per day ,give or take .

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    i THINK parnham charges around that, Manchild.....

    err, what exactly is a manchild? a manchild that starts pulling his pud at 10?
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  • Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    674 posts
    There is f all difference fellas. Cost of feed the same, cost of labour the same.
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  • ManchildManchild    840 posts
    No Falc , I never grew up.

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  • The_BullThe_Bull    929 posts
    Vincent_vega said:

    There is f all difference fellas. Cost of feed the same, cost of labour the same.




    The cost of feed in Kalgoorlie is at least 25% higher. Staff costs are the same. Training costs are less. Make of it what you will. 
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  • ArapahoArapaho    395 posts
    Mate had one with a trainer recently was $110 per day ,but its the extras that they add on that should be included in that figure.
    This particular trainer charged $13.50 per day for gastro-guard , so straight away the amount up to $123.50 per day with other extras like race day attendants, travel(floating) ,use of nebulizer, track gallops,bandages etc on top, bill blew out to $4410 for 30 day month.
    Works out  $147 a day in real figures,
    Admittedly a trip to Kalg for one start included,cost was around $400 one way.
    Nice little business in itself as trainer owns truck himself with a full load over $3000 less expenses jumps in ,.

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  • FlandersFlanders    1,411 posts
    Arapaho said:

    Mate had one with a trainer recently was $110 per day ,but its the extras that they add on that should be included in that figure.

    This particular trainer charged $13.50 per day for gastro-guard , so straight away the amount up to $123.50 per day with other extras like race day attendants, travel(floating) ,use of nebulizer, track gallops,bandages etc on top, bill blew out to $4410 for 30 day month.
    Works out  $147 a day in real figures,
    Admittedly a trip to Kalg for one start included,cost was around $400 one way.
    Nice little business in itself as trainer owns truck himself with a full load over $3000 less expenses jumps in ,.

    Just isolating the Kal trip...
    $3000 less the following expenses:
    maybe $1000 to the taxman, $200 fuel, trainers gotta eat, not to mention how much is the truck to buy/pay off, insurance, servicing, etc etc.
    I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking if a trainer isn't getting regular winners, it's a minimum wage occupation.
    And it's a 7 day week.

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  • ChrisChris    5,734 posts
    We've just sent one to Kal, it's marginally cheaper but bugger all
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  • RodentRodent    7,472 posts
    Cheers. I have a mate getting one trained in Tassie. Very cheap in comparison and racing for the same prizemoney as Kal/Gero etc. I was hoping to get him to send it to W.A but at those prices it'll be a hard no.
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  • DesperadoDesperado    148 posts
    Rodent said:

    Cheers. I have a mate getting one trained in Tassie. Very cheap in comparison and racing for the same prizemoney as Kal/Gero etc. I was hoping to get him to send it to W.A but at those prices it'll be a hard no.

    Rodent 
    As an owner, if a trainer was "cheap" below the average training fees, that would ring a bell. 
      
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  • jumjum    3,582 posts
    edited June 2025
    Flanders said:

    Arapaho said:

    just isolating the Kal trip...
    $3000 less the following expenses:
    maybe $1000 to the taxman, $200 fuel, trainers gotta eat, not to mention how much is the truck to buy/pay off, insurance, servicing, etc etc.
    I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking if a trainer isn't getting regular winners, it's a minimum wage occupation.
    And it's a 7 day week.

    You are 100% taking the **** here hey............. they are running a business. Fuel will be a tax claim. Truck and insurance will be another write off. It is starting to get out of control IMHO. You only have to look around at some trainers that haven't had a winner lately/or ever.In months/years, living it up on social media.

    :-j
    Wont be long and you will be charged on your bill for someone picking up the Shittte in their yard

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,495 posts
    a good sign on how things are going...have a look at the trainers car park..... :-B

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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    thefalcon said:

    a good sign on how things are going...have a look at the trainers car park..... :-B

    True-- Plus the choice of drugs, and the ones don't go raceday .Syndication is the key to trainers.
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  • Vincent_vegaVincent_vega    674 posts
    savethegame said:

    thefalcon said:

    a good sign on how things are going...have a look at the trainers car park..... :-B

    True-- Plus the choice of drugs, and the ones don't go raceday .Syndication is the key to trainers.



    Re syndication. Agree its the key for trainers, but has killed me off as an owner.
    Wayyyyyy too many f..wit owners out there and nothing, absolutely nothing brings out more f..kwit in a person than a good horse.
    If it burns my backside as a fellow owner, how must it be for the poor trainers? :))

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  • FlandersFlanders    1,411 posts
    jum said:

    Flanders said:

    Arapaho said:

    just isolating the Kal trip...
    $3000 less the following expenses:
    maybe $1000 to the taxman, $200 fuel, trainers gotta eat, not to mention how much is the truck to buy/pay off, insurance, servicing, etc etc.
    I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking if a trainer isn't getting regular winners, it's a minimum wage occupation.
    And it's a 7 day week.

    You are 100% taking the **** here hey............. they are running a business. Fuel will be a tax claim. Truck and insurance will be another write off. It is starting to get out of control IMHO. You only have to look around at some trainers that haven't had a winner lately/or ever.In months/years, living it up on social media.

    :-j
    Wont be long and you will be charged on your bill for someone picking up the Shittte in their yard

    I was responding to "another $3000 less expenses jumps in"....
    I was saying that not $3000 less expenses "jumps in", but there are expenses potentially getting close to what they've charged for the trip.
    Not sure what tax system you are using either but just because you have a tax deduction doesn't mean you get it all back.
    Another thing- just because someone is a w@nk3r who has to have a fancy european SUV and an expensive nose beer habit doesn't mean they're rich
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  • ArapahoArapaho    395 posts
    If you locked a trainer and his owner in a room and just played the racing game,the trainer would end up with all the owners money.l 
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  • RodentRodent    7,472 posts
    Racing, the only game where the poor handle the rich.
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  • ManchildManchild    840 posts
    not quite correct Rodent.
     There is a running joke on Wall St, ultra Rich individuals with chauffeur driven cars ,being advised by people who get the train to work.  

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  • HotJulesHotJules    229 posts
    Arapaho said:

    $110 per day ,but its the extras that they add on that should be included in that figure.

    This particular trainer charged $13.50 per day for gastro-guard , so straight away the amount up to $123.50 per day with other extras like race day attendants, travel(floating) ,use of nebulizer, track gallops,bandages etc on top, bill blew out to $4410 for 30 day month.
    Works out  $147 a day in real figures,
    Let the trainer know to stop gastro-guard for your horse.  Don’t whine about your horse suffering from ulcers.  As well no bandages for your horse, or vet treatment, track gallops, nebuliser treatment.  
    You have no idea.  These have always been up to the owners to pay.  There is no cloak and daggers.  You as a customer chose the trainer you want.  And now you complain!
    Someone has to administer the nebuliser, wrap the bandages, pay for track gallops, horse, staff, insurance, floating.  Do you think this is all free?  Maybe your horse can go without shoes.
    jum said:

    Wont be long and you will be charged on your bill for someone picking up the Shittte in their yard
    You already do, it is called wages.  
    Be great to see you accomplished horsemen run a training business at $50 a day per horse. The winners would flow…horses walking themselves to the track, next door neighbour offering vet advice and yards full of sh!te.
    Don’t own horses if ownership is to complex for you.
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  • sonnysonny    1,552 posts
    Hi Jules , You are half right...When I was in stables rugs were billed to owners.. The horse went for a spell and the rug was put on another similar horse and charged, bridles ,bits etc  Some trainers limited the cost and hoped for a group horse..All are different. Mind you this was in the 70/80/90..
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  • silkysilky    430 posts
    The industry probably needs major reform with owners walking away and betting turnover down. Hong Kong seems to be a successful model
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  • RodentRodent    7,472 posts
    silky said:

    The industry probably needs major reform with owners walking away and betting turnover down. Hong Kong seems to be a successful model

    Hong Kong? They have a monopoly on gambling and there are only a few options. It's not a realistic comparison.
      The Hong Kong Jockey Club holds a government-granted monopoly on horse races, football matches, and lotteries. 
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Hong Kong Racing is feeling the economic downturn, they allowed foreign ownership 2022. But as of June the 6th 2025 South African Billio naire Gaynor Rupert, Japan Yoshida family, Newhaven few others have been given permits to own horses in H.K.
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  • ArapahoArapaho    395 posts
    HotJules said:

    Arapaho said:

    $110 per day ,but its the extras that they add on that should be included in that figure.

    This particular trainer charged $13.50 per day for gastro-guard , so straight away the amount up to $123.50 per day with other extras like race day attendants, travel(floating) ,use of nebulizer, track gallops,bandages etc on top, bill blew out to $4410 for 30 day month.
    Works out  $147 a day in real figures,
    Let the trainer know to stop gastro-guard for your horse.  Don’t whine about your horse suffering from ulcers.  As well no bandages for your horse, or vet treatment, track gallops, nebuliser treatment.  
    You have no idea.  These have always been up to the owners to pay.  There is no cloak and daggers.  You as a customer chose the trainer you want.  And now you complain!
    Someone has to administer the nebuliser, wrap the bandages, pay for track gallops, horse, staff, insurance, floating.  Do you think this is all free?  Maybe your horse can go without shoes.
    jum said:

    Wont be long and you will be charged on your bill for someone picking up the Shittte in their yard
    You already do, it is called wages.  
    Be great to see you accomplished horsemen run a training business at $50 a day per horse. The winners would flow…horses walking themselves to the track, next door neighbour offering vet advice and yards full of sh!te.
    Don’t own horses if ownership is to complex for you.
    Hotjules I suggest you get off your high horse,
    Lets get a few thing straight,firstly Rodent started this thread  by asking what the cost to train one etc,Manchild replied stating he thought about a $100 a day,I chimed in giving the actual cost that a trainer charged for the month which was $4410 which is equivalent to $147 a day,that is the actual cost.
    Cost is what you have to pay.
    I did say Mate ,maybe I should of put a A in front it ,So not my bill,so not whining at all, nor was he.
    But now that you brought up a few things like Gastro Guard he was charged for it on both days the horse raced for that month,didnt think you are allowed to treat a horse on race day.
    I suggest there is a lot of perks in training a horse.
    If you are a trainer you would know,but if you are just a owner, maybe not
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  • silkysilky    430 posts
    With the steady increase of training fees, I think the trainers winning percentage of 10% is probably a bit steep
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  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    448 posts
    silky said:

    With the steady increase of training fees, I think the trainers winning percentage of 10% is probably a bit steep

    <br/ I think you'd find the steady increase of training fees coincides with the steady increase it cost to train horses these days , I don't think trainers should have to have these % of stakes money reduced just because there hands are forced to increase training fees over a period of time
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  • silkysilky    430 posts
    edited June 2025
    I think the trainers can adjust their training fees according to their business model and don’t need a percentage of the winnings. All winnings should go to the owner minus the jockey percentage imo
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  • Chopchop43Chopchop43    448 posts
    silky said:

    I think the trainers can adjust their training fees according to their business model and don’t need a percentage of the winnings. All winnings should go to the owner minus the jockey percentage imo


    if you were to take away there % and adjust there training fees accordingly you'll have alot of owners kick up a stink especially if there horses aren't earning yet having to outlay good money after good money

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