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Help with WA Trainers please

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TigerRocketsTigerRockets    14 posts
West Australian Racing
Hello There

I received some great help here chasing WA Jockeys and trainers for a horse racing spreadsheet.

I am after the following please

Mrs RA Lewis trained Wynton Lad 1983 Winterbottom 
KD Pollock trained Jevson in 1984 Winterbottom 
A Devine trained Portinari or Protinari in 1983 Railway
JT Smith trained Heroic Chief  in 1984 Fruit N Veg

Any help would be greatly appreciated 

Rodney
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  • psychopsycho    900 posts
    TigerRockets said:

    Hello There


    I received some great help here chasing WA Jockeys and trainers for a horse racing spreadsheet.

    I am after the following please

    Mrs RA Lewis trained Wynton Lad 1983 Winterbottom 
    KD Pollock trained Jevson in 1984 Winterbottom 
    A Devine trained Portinari or Protinari in 1983 Railway
    JT Smith trained Heroic Chief  in 1984 Fruit N Veg

    Any help would be greatly appreciated 

    Rodney
    1983 Railway is that PORTINARI and not PROTINARI ? Just incase someone is trying to help and it's mispelt, not being a smart a$%^
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  • TigerRocketsTigerRockets    14 posts
    Thanks Psycho
    It is Pirtinari
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  • TigerRocketsTigerRockets    14 posts
    TigerRockets said:

    Thanks Psycho

    It is Portinari
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  • psychopsycho    900 posts
    TigerRockets said:

    TigerRockets said:

    Thanks Psycho

    It is Portinari

    :((  I didn't wanna correct you twice  :))

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  • ManchildManchild    840 posts
    Wynton lad was trained by Frank Pagoda , the person named was an employee'.
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,505 posts
    what was the name of that very good horse F. Pagoda had....i think it raced over east.
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  • meatpiemeatpie    610 posts
    thefalcon said:

    what was the name of that very good horse F. Pagoda had....i think it raced over east.

    Gilt Pattern

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  • ManchildManchild    840 posts
    Wynton Lad ?
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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,505 posts
    spot on meatpie. i was living in sydney at the time and went to the races the day he won. i think the rider was darby mcCarthy.
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  • TigerRocketsTigerRockets    14 posts
    The West Australian newspaper had the trainer as Mrs RA Lewis


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  • TigerRocketsTigerRockets    14 posts
    TigerRockets said:

    The West Australian newspaper had the trainer as Mrs RA Lewis and as the winner trainer in November 21 1983




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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Albany Trainer in the seventies her name was Margaret Skinner went to start horse at Kalgoorlie 
    last race of  the day , gets the saddle comes back to saddle up and the horse is going to town, she informs stewards this is totally outta character his behaviour. 

    Stewards inform her she can scratch which she does its swabbed come's back positive. I believe she received 12 months suspension, friend reckons she received no suspension. Anyone remember the incident, Would have been charged with presenting horse to race that was positive?. 
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  • SlipperygypsySlipperygypsy    2 posts
    Guys I need some input from everyone basically who can u recommend as a decent two year old trainer and one who is honest and straight up aswell as being good with their horses welfare and also future racing after 2?also don’t want my horse to be just a number in a sea of horses so someone not as big as a Simon miller etc
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  • ChrisChris    5,736 posts
    I think Dion Luciani fits your briefing

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  • thefalconthefalcon    20,505 posts
    good choice, chris. plus he's got his fathers ear for any problems he may encounter.

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  • SlipperygypsySlipperygypsy    2 posts
    Thanks Chris appreciate it
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  • FlandersFlanders    1,414 posts
    Chris said:

    I think Dion Luciani fits your briefing


    Not being disrespectful but I feel that Dion is great with them young, but @Slippergypsy said they want a trainer who can keep them going beyond 2yo... my perception is that this aspect isn't traditionally a strength of Dion.

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  • DamienWyerDamienWyer    8,008 posts
    Dan Morton is an easy choice on training talented two year olds that go on to have a career. I have to ask though, are you a Breeder or a Purchaser ? Who has broken in your now two year old and where has it spent it's first 18 months ? If you are making these decisions only now, you most likely have a very late two year old or more likely a three year old debutant.

    You may find that upon inspection, a quality Trainer may decline what you're offering as just because it has four legs and a tail, it may be just a camel. Space and Staff are limited resources so just because you are looking for a Trainer of two year old's, those that enjoy that reputation also have a standard they purchase too or accept as time is money and there is only so much of it to go around. 

    If however you are looking to purchase in the coming yearling sales season, align yourself with proven Trainers that can pick a yearling year in year out and not just the ones that get lucky every few years with the odd good horse. Good judges of 2 & 3yo's in my opinion would be David Harrison, or Dan & Ben Pearce. 

    If you have something extraordinary, let Grant & Alana Williams pick it out. If you can convince them to give up a spot in their yard for whatever you have bred or bought.

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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Dion has 56 horses listed, someone like Tony Triscari has 16 horses listed, his last couple of seasons which only
    he had handful of horses, results have been quite remarkable.
    But as Damien said so much to factor in.prior to decision. Someone that rides there own work is a big plus.

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  • ChrisChris    5,736 posts
    Flanders said:

    Chris said:

    I think Dion Luciani fits your briefing


    Not being disrespectful but I feel that Dion is great with them young, but @Slippergypsy said they want a trainer who can keep them going beyond 2yo... my perception is that this aspect isn't traditionally a strength of Dion.
    A consistent trainer of 2yos that can see them go on deep in their career. That is a unique brief now that I think about it.

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  • GLAMOURGLAMOUR    881 posts
    Then there are trainers who are not keen on 2yr olds,they would rather have horses with a long career.
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  • RodentRodent    7,476 posts
    Bomber Bill won 7/7 as a 2yo making his debut before Xmas 1997. He won a Grp 3 in Melbourne in 2006 as a 10yo. Retired having won 23 races. He won 17 stakes races. Tough!

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  • silkysilky    430 posts
    One who I think fits your criteria is Russell Stewart. Smallish team. Can get a 2yo who trains on. Underrated imo
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  • savethegamesavethegame    3,216 posts
    Bomber Bill older he got the tougher he got, Two different trainers believed his two year old success was based on there input
    . Bit like Joe Agresta when Bart died, how he use to tell Bart we got to do this with horse, x etc. and he would let him,
    Foreman Leon Corstens said he made all the decisions because Bart lived in Sydney, Leon learnt alot he had minimum of seven postives after he left Bart. poor old Anthony picked out Might and power& Defier as yearlings.
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  • ChrisChris    5,736 posts
    https://www.tbwa.net.au/2024/10/vale-bomber-bill-its-hard-to-say-goodbye/

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