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warrenrobinson · January 8

Bushbookie said:
Wont be back for a while Robbo , better to just spell out your problems with GP that if fixed would get people back in reasonable numbers to GP. Sure they could spend millions upgrading but like Drive Inns its over Australia Wide for on track attendance at Harness Meetings

A question Bushbookie, have you read the WACHRA Submission 2022?

Bushbookie · January 8

Nah Robbo , Question was raised that the GP public amenities were that rundown and outdated and they were the reason for keeping people away from the track . From my observation a month ago facilities as good as any track in Qld . Go to public toilts at Doomben and their all WW2 Porcelin types you see in the Movie " The Sting " . Who cares as long as they flush and are kept clean . If a seat at GP has seagull shit on it , just move 2 up . Plenty of empties . Robbo just hate public money spent on racecourse stadiums and Bars that are empty 95% of the year.

Bushbookie · January 8

Robbo , just tell the forum 5 things you want done at GP that would bring 100 extra people back . Forget all these reports you talking about , waste of good money .

warrenrobinson · January 8

Bushi, The submission which was done at no cost explains everything that you ask for and more. All persons concerned about the future of our industry should read it. I can email you a copy if you like.

Rocket_Reign · January 8

Hey Robbo, you sound like one of those people selling solar panels in the mall

Bushbookie · January 8

Why wont you give the forum 5 things that you think will bring back crowds to GP. Could'nt give a toss about any submission Robbo . I want your answers because what I saw you could spend a trillion on GP and not get any extra to come . The only and only way to get crowds to GP is to lower the oncourse tab/tote turnover tax to 5%. Dont email the submission . Put it up on the open forum . Why is it a big secret .

Chopchop43 · January 8

Bushbookie said:
Why wont you give the forum 5 things that you think will bring back crowds to GP. Could'nt give a toss about any submission Robbo . I want your answers because what I saw you could spend a trillion on GP and not get any extra to come . The only and only way to get crowds to GP is to lower the oncourse tab/tote turnover tax to 5%. Dont email the submission . Put it up on the open forum . Why is it a big secret .

i keep telling people that the day of on course crowds is over you'll get them in for your big nights but there is zero incentive to go to the trots anymore when you can watch them from the luxury of your own home, or even on your phone with all the betting apps at your disposal

watchingu · January 8

Pinjarra do a good day out the few times ive been

Chopchop43 · January 8

watchingu said:
Pinjarra do a good day out the few times ive been

90% of the crowd are pensioners and the retired which is great gives them a good day out, but when your talking about patrons that spend a bit of money over the bar and the on course betting its not the sort of crowd thats privy to that kind of spending

TimmyBee · January 9

Chopchop43 said:

watchingu said:
Pinjarra do a good day out the few times ive been

90% of the crowd are pensioners and the retired which is great gives them a good day out, but when your talking about patrons that spend a bit of money over the bar and the on course betting its not the sort of crowd thats privy to that kind of spending

never heard a truer word spoken

savethegame · January 9

TimmyBee said:

Chopchop43 said:

watchingu said:
Pinjarra do a good day out the few times ive been

90% of the crowd are pensioners and the retired which is great gives them a good day out, but when your talking about patrons that spend a bit of money over the bar and the on course betting its not the sort of crowd thats privy to that kind of spending

never heard a truer word spoken

TRUE Be interested to know that 259 trainers left the percentage over 65 would be,

Chopchop43 · January 9

savethegame said:

TimmyBee said:

Chopchop43 said:

watchingu said:
Pinjarra do a good day out the few times ive been

90% of the crowd are pensioners and the retired which is great gives them a good day out, but when your talking about patrons that spend a bit of money over the bar and the on course betting its not the sort of crowd thats privy to that kind of spending

never heard a truer word spoken
TRUE Be interested to know that 259 trainers left the percentage over 65 would be,

i think it would be higher than most would think

Gilgamesh · January 11

Having tuned back in to a lot more races the last 6 weeks, I can understand the changes to handicapping no doubt still has a lot of flaws BUT the massive reduction in what i would call no contest races (best horse walks to the front and dashes home in land speed record times) is such a massive plus.

Horses wining 3 wide no cover at GP, even 4 wide the last 600m in the case of the last winner. There's actually tactics again and quality driving is being rewarded.

Horses winning from any draw. Drivers going forward from 9. It is such a better spectacle.

I'd take watching (and punting) an old warrior like Tubbs Farquhar winning and doing all the work regardless of what times they are running than seeing some $1.05 pop leading and going 62 out 55.5 home any day of the week.

JayJay · January 11

Correct.....the "PBD" aspect has played a big part in it as well. Yes, NR is not perfect but the damage done by the RBD dominant based HWOE and "Conditioned" Handicapping, complete with 4 and 5 lines of "conditions" attached that allowed for dreadfully one side racing, is a reality that administrators cannot hide from. They can run for cover, they can blame Covid and High tides, they can (and frequently do) blame the people they worked alongside of in constructing this disaster, they can blame the owners and trainers and anyone who railed against it....but they can't hide from the outcome.....not now, not ever.

There is plentiful data that shows the improved outcomes but despite promises to do so (in writing I might add), it never sees the light of day. Communication from central office, about a great number of things including stakes cuts at Metro Meetings, is almost non existent other than smoke and mirrors nonsense like last week.

Even at Albany last night, there was only one odds on favourite (it won), only one other favourite saluted at 2.45, all the other favourites (which were at backable odds) got beat and there was value a plenty across the card.

warrenrobinson · January 11

No Handicap No Turnover No Industry.

warrenrobinson · January 11

If someone on this forum can post what mobile racing has done to grow the Harness Industry, no opinions just facts

JayJay · January 11

While they are at it, they may choose to address the change in the breeding season (twice), the stallion tax and the effect of "the industry changing" Eureka on turnover, the various incarnations of alleged handicapping, the adoption of Artificial Insemination, the elimination (almost) of the regional base and all the hobby owners and trainers that went with it, the "stacking" of prizemoney for the benefit of a privileged few, the sale of TAB's around Australia.....just for starters. The number of schemes to "future proof the industry" and "safeguard the Industry, look after participants and increase turnover" is too long to list and may wish to be addressed in chapter 2.

warrenrobinson · January 11

JayJay said:
While they are at it, they may choose to address the change in the breeding season (twice), the stallion tax and the effect of "the industry changing" Eureka on turnover, the various incarnations of alleged handicapping, the adoption of Artificial Insemination, the elimination (almost) of the regional base and all the hobby owners and trainers that went with it, the "stacking" of prizemoney for the benefit of a privileged few, the sale of TAB's around Australia.....just for starters. The number of schemes to "future proof the industry" and "safeguard the Industry, look after participants and increase turnover" is too long to list and may wish to be addressed in chapter 2.

I just want to know any positive outcomes from these changes

JayJay · January 11

None....according to the Industry's own facts and figures as presented in reports to Parliament, Status reports and HRA Statistics.....there are certainly entitled individuals that have flourished, some only briefly, but from an Industry perspective, absolutely none.

savethegame · January 11

Where's getthechange does he have a opinion on how things are tracking now,

JayJay · January 11

GTC's original concept was, in my opinion, like just about every other handicapping system ever proposed, hijacked almost before it got going. Going right back, before it got transformed in a "conditioned handicap system", it had problems such as band widths being to broad and so on along with its RBD basis. But at the end of its tortured existence, he proposed some restorative measures that were rejected outright, without even the courtesy of a reply as I recall.

It was adapted to suit a few at the expense of many. In the end it was a labrynth of conditions and barely understood by many who said "too hard, not playing" and packed it in, owners and licensees.

I wouldn't attempt to put words in his mouth and will stand corrected but the final stanza of "HWOE" bore little resemblance to the original concept that BOTRA and others agreed to run on a trial basis (3 months or 6 months as I recall) with regular feedback and data, promised but it never happened.

It needed to be binned, we needed to line up nationally as per the "standard guage rail" debate and we needed to move on. I think we have, and for the better but any reversion back towards an RBD basis will quickly see a reversion to the despised uncompetitive $1.10 GSL and win, 6 or 7 races per night era.

JayJay · January 12

It is claimed elsewhere that "Good training" doesn't occur in the stables, it comes in the post.

https://bestequinemeds.com/shop/other/buy-sgf-5000-online-super-growth-factor/

Very popular line.

Gilgamesh · January 12

The advancements in SGF-5000 will take your horse or racing camel to a new level of competitiveness.

Is that for your race horses sir, oh no I only.use that on my racing camel!!

Gilgamesh · January 12

Yes I can't see how the changes to the season start/breeding has been anything but negative.

No doubt it has an effect on the horse racing numbers after the change of season each year - now is not the time of year you want to be having reduced numbers to compete in races.

The weather is great to attend a meeting, there's no footy to contend with, we need the horses going around now.

savethegame · January 12

Nothing worse for the mares heavy in foal,going into December JanHeat plus dry dusty paddocks on some properties.
,Before foaling in prime time re goodness from Sept,Oct,Nov was the best feed as the winter grasses dried,who was responsible for that master stroke

getthechanges · January 13

still here STG somehow when away on holidays i stuffed up password etc and took it as an omen to stop posting

I will comment later but something that hasnt been mentioned is the interview with Toby Mckinnon from HRA regarding national ratings and the charts and statements made

https://www.facebook.com/vege07/videos/live-with-toby-mckinnon-discussing-the-australian-handicapping-rule-changes-2026/1249456783656589/

what possessed them to give 3yos 50% reductions in penalties so that a 3yo winning 3 x 3yo $9000 races at Pinjarra gets a total of 6 NR points 5 points for winning (50% of 5 = 2.5 rounded down =2 x 3 = 6

an open age horse winning three $9000 open age races receives 15 NR points (5 points for winning x 3)

since inception 3yos have taken full penalties

have they been wrong since inception or are they wrong now

Markovina · January 13

Like they say GTC there are 3 sides to every story

Yours - theirs ( Jay Jay ) and the truth

JayJay · January 13

Penalty free races for 3 year olds or part penalties undermines the very basis of handicapping, just as it has done to every system that the geckos have gotten hold of.

Anna's Ann was in "fast class" as a 3 year old, running in Free For Alls (2.13 and better). Why? Because she won so many races, that's why.

Even under the old MCR, we had penalty free races for 3yo's that saw a returning Derby winner start in a CO for maidens at Pinjarra. That wasn't right then and it isn't right now. Same as HWOE with all its juvenile discounts.

The powerful and influential will eventually claw back all the advantages that they think they are entitled to. Go by a 5 figure 3YO out of NZ that is better than the locals and race it through the grades with a 50% discount. Great work if you can get it.

Chopchop43 · January 13

JayJay said:
Penalty free races for 3 year olds or part penalties undermines the very basis of handicapping, just as it has done to every system that the geckos have gotten hold of.

Anna's Ann was in "fast class" as a 3 year old, running in Free For Alls (2.13 and better). Why? Because she won so many races, that's why.

Even under the old MCR, we had penalty free races for 3yo's that saw a returning Derby winner start in a CO for maidens at Pinjarra. That wasn't right then and it isn't right now. Same as HWOE with all its juvenile discounts.

The powerful and influential will eventually claw back all the advantages that they think they are entitled to. Go by a 5 figure 3YO out of NZ that is better than the locals and race it through the grades with a 50% discount. Great work if you can get it.

the same old sooks who were complaining about alta christiano coming back as a C0(which by the way with the amount of C0 races back then you could easily avoid him with your 80 start maiden if you wanted to) are the same ones who complained about the hwoe system and most likely are complaining about the NR system, RWWA need to man up and stop pandering to these types of people and just stick with one system for a decent period of time, think its been 3 systems in 6 years thats beyond a joke , might aswell had just stuck with the mcr system at this stage

JayJay · January 13

HRA decision for starters, fundamentally a strong supporter of NR and never ever had an 80 start maiden but there you go.

G'day Punter!

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