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YEARLING SALES

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SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
edited January 2013 Breeding
Just received my catalogue for this years sale it may be a gamble to limit the numbers but hopefully most will be straight legged nice types, also means April sale will be very big.

Can anyone name the star lot let's see who has the best horse knowledge I'm off to study so will get back when I think I know it.
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  • goosegoose    1,637 posts
    Have had a quick look lot 91 Meglia Doro out of Kalatiara should be up there any other guesses?
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    My top 6: Lot 63 High Chaparral filly; Lot 114 Lohnro filly; Lot 135 Lohnro colt; Lot 153 More Than Ready filly; Lot 154 More Than Ready colt; Lot 167 Oratorio colt. Some fantastic pedigrees amongst that lot!
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  • scenic11scenic11    231 posts
    Hahaha lot 63 is out of Europa Point. That's the mare Ollie rode when he had his $10,000 bet.
    You will need big bucks to buy that one.
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  • dungydungy    9,278 posts
    scenic11 said:

    Hahaha lot 63 is out of Europa Point. That's the mare Ollie rode when he had his $10,000 bet.
    You will need big bucks to buy that one.

    Thought the same as i went through the lots ,when did she race last that mare ?
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    What time of year was the race ?
    May have raced in foal
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  • scenic11scenic11    231 posts
    The MV race Ollie had his $10k bet was 1.10.10
    Her last run was 16.10.10 at Caulfield.
    Mare was covered 25.10.10 by High Chaparral.
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Rumour was that this year the new management of Perth MM was going to place greater emphasis on the conformation of the horses and less on who bred the horse.
    Going through the catalogue it appears to be the case (hopefully), as i've wondered how some of them made it into Day 1 on pedigree....must be really nice types!
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  • HenleyBrookHenleyBrook    408 posts
    edited January 2013
    A mate of mine sold one to Yarradale which he bred himself because it was aweak on type... I fell off my chair when i saw that it had made it to this years premier sale!!! it is out of a current hot sire in WA but I won't say what lot it is. On type it still looks weak...therefore I think Funkster that the MM are looking after the big players and boom sires again regardless of type...
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  • scenic11scenic11    231 posts
    Would it be fair to say at most sales the big studs get looked after by the auction houses?
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Would it be fair to say that most big clients get looked after by any business ?
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  • scenic11scenic11    231 posts
    Yep, correct
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    So you guys are saying they discriminate and probably breach the Trade Practices Act?
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    So if I walk in to Coles and ask them to stock my special brand of home brewed baked beans, and they sday no - I should quote the TPA when I squeel ???

    Best of luck............
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  • TheFunksterTheFunkster    3,840 posts
    Have you signed an agreement with Coles to sell your beans?
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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Still reading but on favours being done for studs so certain lots make the main sale this I know is fact when working on studs horses I would not buy in a pink fit are put in because the owners are big buyers at other sales especially 1 filly had shocking legs sold for $6000 after that I thought I could sell ice to eskimos and even more amazing it actually raced in Victoria and won a maiden she was related to Maitland Gold.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    The Funkster said:

    Have you signed an agreement with Coles to sell your beans?

    Not until they agree to stick them, same as a vendor doesn't sign until MM agrees to stock their horse
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    All I can say is - I'm only a small / start up breeder, and they accepted all mine nominated for the main sale......
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  • scenic11scenic11    231 posts
    It makes good business sense to look after your best clients. After all, they are the ones that pay the big bucks for the service being provided. The major vendors will be a source of revenue for many years to come.

    I just hope that Magic Millions are sensible about how they do it and do not compromise the quality of the premier sale yearlings they offer as a result. There still has to be quality control.
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Well that's how mine got in...... (Quality :)
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  • DaleDale    1,346 posts
    The Funkster said:

    Rumour was that this year the new management of Perth MM was going to place greater emphasis on the conformation of the horses and less on who bred the horse.
    Going through the catalogue it appears to be the case (hopefully), as i've wondered how some of them made it into Day 1 on pedigree....must be really nice types!

    are you saying murray was not looking at the horses and only keeping his mates happy? i jest.....

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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Dead right there Dale if you guys whinge about racing being corrupt when it comes to yearling sales racing doesn't even come close. Horse studs run their yearlings up all the time as it is all about the mighty dollar after all, owners put yearlings in the sale only to get qualified for Magic Millions series with no intention of actually selling unless of course the bids reach good numbers, but the best lurk is the way the sales area is set up the auctioneers always look to their left into the gap behind the curtains to also run up the price until it reaches the reserve with false bids, this should be stopped immediately as it is blatantly dishonest, also when buying a yearling you are completely blind to what the horse has been through in its life that is why I prefer to breed my own as I at least know what has happened to my horse. When working over east for the 1997 Easter sales I know a colt by Last T ycoon was sold by the farm I was working for $350,000 he was a full brother to a G1 winner yet won a maiden in Victoria and that was it , my boss informed me a week after the sale this colt had 5 hock operations to straighten his back legs so he would have been basically a cripple, a nice way to blow big bucks.

    So you all would be amazed at what deals are done behind the glamour of a horse sale and bigger the sale bigger the dodgy deal , so again I will state BUYER BEWARE
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  • TiversTivers    7,720 posts
    Yes, there can be a big difference between horses raised to race, and horses raised to sell.
    I too am rapidly becoming a convert to breed (and raise) my own
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  • TheDivaTheDiva    13,248 posts
    Gai is buying most of the fastnet rocks, 7 so far.
    Coolmore paid $1.35 mill for a Fastnet Rock.
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  • darkshinesdarkshines    2,837 posts
    Looking at the 7 figure lots of this year . . . Freedy had an absolute mare. No wonder he gave it away . . .

    http://www.justracing.com.au/index.php?news_page=1&artid=4216&catid=52
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  • goosegoose    1,637 posts
    Surprising figures there they all seemed to get sucked into the Redoutes Choice hype is he going ordinary these days or what?
    Anthony Freedman bought a Meglia Doro colt out of Fastnet Rock's grandam today for $50000 now doesnt that sound cheap? did anyone see it to have an opinion.
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  • tonytony    2,424 posts
    Will be interesting to see what happens with Redoutes in the Northern Hemisphere. I see a number of the Aga Khan's mares including Zarkava are going to him.
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  • Buddy23Buddy23    127 posts
    SPUDLEY said:

    Dead right there Dale if you guys whinge about racing being corrupt when it comes to yearling sales racing doesn't even come close. Horse studs run their yearlings up all the time as it is all about the mighty dollar after all, owners put yearlings in the sale only to get qualified for Magic Millions series with no intention of actually selling unless of course the bids reach good numbers, but the best lurk is the way the sales area is set up the auctioneers always look to their left into the gap behind the curtains to also run up the price until it reaches the reserve with false bids, this should be stopped immediately as it is blatantly dishonest, also when buying a yearling you are completely blind to what the horse has been through in its life that is why I prefer to breed my own as I at least know what has happened to my horse. When working over east for the 1997 Easter sales I know a colt by Last T ycoon was sold by the farm I was working for $350,000 he was a full brother to a G1 winner yet won a maiden in Victoria and that was it , my boss informed me a week after the sale this colt had 5 hock operations to straighten his back legs so he would have been basically a cripple, a nice way to blow big bucks.

    So you all would be amazed at what deals are done behind the glamour of a horse sale and bigger the sale bigger the dodgy deal , so again I will state BUYER BEWARE

    Spudley,
    Did anyone else ever hear about what was done to the horse you were refering to in your comment ? I'm sure inglis and sons or maybe a higher racing body would be interested in what you or you're former employer has got to say about the topic

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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    REAL SURREAL wins Magic Millions and guess what entered for sale last year and passed in for $70,000 res $75,000 and one of the owners says we never intended to sell her. They should have some sort of entry fee so the poor horse's dont have to endure a sales prep when their owners have no intention of selling. Obviously they really care about their horses . NOT ? If any owner cared about their horses they would not put them in a yearling sale as it is only a money making venture, there was a study done in the USA of horses put through sales and ones that were allowed to grow at their own pace , so guess which horses came out on top . So the better performed horses were the ones given time to grow at their own pace, more group and stakes wins than the poor buggers who were pushed and overfed just to make money as you can gather I am totally against the concept of yearling sales.
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  • SPUDLEYSPUDLEY    1,584 posts
    Hey Buddy do you think that sort of info would be broadcast to all buyers , when big studs need to make money to keep on going anything will be done to ensure they get top DOLLAR for their yearlings no matter what like I said BUYER BEWARE
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  • scenic11scenic11    231 posts
    Well FFS none of us would ever buy a horse at a yearling sale if we listened to you.
    Talk about negative.
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