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PieMan · April 2015

I have a question for you? Did you watch the race of Universal Moon? If so, Universal Moon was an alarming drifter. Why didn't the stewards go to Carbery at the barrier, alerting them that the horse is a drifter in the betting and your ride will be scrutinized. Shouldn't that be them doing their due diligence?

thefalcon · April 2015

what were the flucs?

brady · April 2015

Pie Man said:
I have a question for you? Did you watch the race of Universal Moon? If so, Universal Moon was an alarming drifter. Why didn't the stewards go to Carbery at the barrier, alerting them that the horse is a drifter in the betting and your ride will be scrutinized. Shouldn't that be them doing their due diligence?

Strong surport for 2 other runners was the reason for the drift in Betting !

grandstandjockeys · April 2015

Pieman talking through his wallet horses drift every day in every race .Yesterday the first two winners in Sydney drifted after money came for the second favourites. Just cause a horse drifts in the market meens sweet f@@all plenty of horses who have drifted have won

H-BOMBER · April 2015

Raced wide throughout surprisingly as well :-w

thefalcon · April 2015

bomber, you inevitably find in small fields, if you draw wide, unless you are a very fast beginner, you are trapped wide.
UM...barrier 7 o/o 7....

PieMan · April 2015

So, you are telling me that if your horse drifts, you are happy that they run down the track? You wouldn't want the stewards to keep the jockey in check. Seriously??????

The winner of that race walked up front, and Carbery parked his horse 3 wide. He never had a chance.

I follow a lot of horses on Betfair, and they aren't wrong often.

I knew I was in trouble with Universal Moon before the race was run. That doesn't give you confidence in the industry.

H-BOMBER · April 2015

I stated on here that Universal Moon couldn't win with the betting drift. It ran accordingly. I was on.

thefalcon · April 2015

re the drift...the 2 horses who ran 1, 2 were both heavily backed....its called "balancing the books" by all forms of bookmaking...logic, bomber.
would you have been fretting if highly secret (bless it!) who drifted from about 4's to 7's got beaten?
its racing mate!

brady · April 2015

Pie Man said:
So, you are telling me that if your horse drifts, you are happy that they run down the track? You wouldn't want the stewards to keep the jockey in check. Seriously??????
The winner of that race walked up front, and Carbery parked his horse 3 wide. He never had a chance.
I follow a lot of horses on Betfair, and they aren't wrong often.
I knew I was in trouble with Universal Moon before the race was run. That doesn't give you confidence in the industry.

No Pie Man
If a horse drifts in betting stewards should watch closely and Query the Run
Betting fluctuations can cause betting drifts
Betfair does get it right more often then not

BobbyDavis · April 2015

Pie Man said:
So, you are telling me that if your horse drifts, you are happy that they run down the track? You wouldn't want the stewards to keep the jockey in check. Seriously??????
The winner of that race walked up front, and Carbery parked his horse 3 wide. He never had a chance.
I follow a lot of horses on Betfair, and they aren't wrong often.
I knew I was in trouble with Universal Moon before the race was run. That doesn't give you confidence in the industry.

If the jockey elected to sit at the back of the field with the pedestrian pace that was on (yes even though it was a 1200m sprint!) without showing any initiative you would crucify him wouldn't you Pieman? That would be a more noticeable way of giving a horse a run, which is what you are clearly accusing Carbery of doing. Especially with the rail out 15m where it is common knowledge that it is difficult to make ground.
I'm certain you would have some allies in your criticism if this is what occurred, especially given the betting drift. But no. ... Carbery put his horse into the race, albeit three wide, to give himself some hope of winning. He displayed initiative. And to leave himself with no chance of being questioned by the stewards for failing to improve into a position that would give him a chance to finish in the best position possible. You can't ask for any more than that given the circumstances of that race. The problem for you is that you clearly had a bet on it.

If you can't handle losing without slandering someone don't bet Pieman. Or man up and don't slander someone when you lost.
As you stated- the winner walked up front. Why on earth would you be critical of the bloke because he was the only one to show initiative to get up near the pace? Oh that's right because you lost. Deal with it. It doesn't always go to plan.

PieMan · April 2015

I think you're a retard, Bobby Davis. Your reply was after midnight, so I gather you had too many nifht caps.

So, you are telling me that Carbery couldn't of showed initiative and put a bit of pressure and sat outside the leader? You are a joke!

BobbyDavis · April 2015

Pie Man said:
I think you're a retard, Bobby Davis. Your reply was after midnight, so I gather you had too many nifht caps.

So, you are telling me that Carbery couldn't of showed initiative and put a bit of pressure and sat outside the leader? You are a joke!

Pieboy clearly I am not very intelligent because your ramble about initiative doesn't make sense to me. Can you please explain to me in layman's terms what you are actually trying to say? I can't understand if you are saying he didn't show initiative or not.
Just to clear up what I was trying to say: I feel that he did show initiative. I think that is obvious in my post. Maybe there were too many words in there for you to comprehend.

If you are saying he didn't show initiative then I completely disagree. If you are saying he didn't go forward to be outside the leader I completely disagree.
Also I completely disagree that I had too many drinks last night- I was out to dinner with a great bunch of friends, I was the skipper. Then when I got home I read your "contribution" to this forum. In hindsight I should have known that responding to your joke of a thread was not a good idea. But hey we all make mistakes. Some close relatives of yours probably made at least one.
By the way it is "couldn't have" not "couldn't of". Just a Good Friday lesson for you since you are clearly not quite as well educated as some others on here. Not me though- I am a retard and a joke.
Happy Easter

PieMan · April 2015

Bobby Davis, get your head out is your arse and have a look at the replay. Carbery is one average jockey. Always has been, always will be. He rode for me once, and I banned him after that.

The rail was out and the leader walked, and according to you, Carbery rode a brliant ride by sitting 3 wide.

And, don't forget, my initial gripe is for stewards to remind hoops that their rides will be scrutinized.

They named a stick after you, a fuc$ stick.

BobbyDavis · April 2015

Pie Man said:
Bobby Davis, get your head out is your arse and have a look at the replay. Carbery is one average jockey. Always has been, always will be. He rode for me once, and I banned him after that.

The rail was out and the leader walked, and according to you, Carbery rode a brliant ride by sitting 3 wide.

And, don't forget, my initial gripe is for stewards to remind hoops that their rides will be scrutinized.

They named a stick after you, a fuc$ stick.

I don't think you'll find that I said it was a good ride at all. I said that it was not lacking in initiative. I wouldn't have been happy with the ride either if I backed it but I wouldn't have said that it was worthy of a stewards investigation because I don't think it was dodgy. Hope you have a very pleasant easter, sounds like you need some loving.
I don't think there is such a stick by the way.

WesternWatchdog · April 2015

When the rail is out at Ascot the bias has been much more off the rails (I'd quickly found three examples in the last couple of months where this was the case), but in this case the leader is a quality on-pacer who got away with a near 36.5 second first 600m. When the leader is coming off good Saturday form and getting away with that sectional leading you'd expect it to be running well.

I'm not taking sides but at least get your assumptions right. The way the race was run universal moon was no chance wherever it settled.

All the jocks over here make plenty of mistakes, and if you're willing to back one from a bad barrier in a quality race, at that price, on a horse that isn't clearly the best horse in the race.......well, is that the jockeys fault???

PieMan · April 2015

I know I'm talking through my pocket, as I have two rules; don't back female jockeys and don't back odds on, but that's not what my conversation was about. I know I shouldn't have expected more from Carbery, but I was asking should stewards remind jockeys that if they are on a horse that is drifting, their rides will be scrutinized.

You keep making out that I'm asking for a million dollars, I'm asking stewards to do their job.

If you ask a lot of people why don't they back horses, and their usual replies are it's a mugs game and it's corrupt. So, how do we overcome this? I'm sure scrutinizing betting drifts and plunges, checking betfair accounts, and asking relevant questions is a step in the right direction.

SHOVHOG · April 2015

Forget about it mate. They don't ask questions about Durrant's runners and blind freddy can see that adam is a very very shrewd operator.

magoo83 · April 2015

Lets not forget he likes to manipulate the weight scale of races

WesternWatchdog · April 2015

Pie Man said:
I know I'm talking through my pocket, as I have two rules; don't back female jockeys and don't back odds on, but that's not what my conversation was about. I know I shouldn't have expected more from Carbery, but I was asking should stewards remind jockeys that if they are on a horse that is drifting, their rides will be scrutinized.

You keep making out that I'm asking for a million dollars, I'm asking stewards to do their job.

If you ask a lot of people why don't they back horses, and their usual replies are it's a mugs game and it's corrupt. So, how do we overcome this? I'm sure scrutinizing betting drifts and plunges, checking betfair accounts, and asking relevant questions is a step in the right direction.

I certainly won't argue with your point here, if stewards are happy to mention that a horse can miss the start by one length, I'm sure they can be asking more questions both before and after races.

Lady_Luck · April 2015

Pie hole I have just read you calling a @Bobby Davis a retard and accusing him of having his head up his arse ( retard is a pathetic comment btw) and i would argue that it seems you are talking about yourself rather than Bobby because you were silly enough to back a horse that had everything against it and could only with luck like picking the exact lotto numbers.

Universal Moon was never going to win if you have any idea and can put together where they would sit in running, UM likes to sit mid field to slightly worse with cover and comes home over the top, when it draws the widest Carbery IMO had no choice but to sit 3 wide midfield when no slot came in the 1 out line (that they were no doubt hoping for) his hands were tied.

I was on the winner and it screamed as a sure thing to anyone who can read a race. Paddy still came home very well but after not being able to get in was just a task to hard.

You obviously have done a bundle to carry on like the pork chop like you are now 2 days later so i would suggest you bet in smaller amounts in future until you can get a grasp on reading how a race will play out and look a bit closer to home rather that the jockey when it goes a miss.

Draws a gate and will be very hard to beat next start, no fault of Carbery this time more the person you saw in the mirror this morning.

PieMan · April 2015

Yes, $50 was a real bundle. What am I going to do, as I only have one more kidney to sell.

Lady Luck, you must be a female jockey, as you've got no idea, also.

SuperSnoop · April 2015

Pie Man said:
Yes, $50 was a real bundle. What am I going to do, as I only have one more kidney to sell.

Lady Luck, you must be a female jockey, as you've got no idea, also.

no wonder hes so filthy. lucy and jerry ride enough winners between them he must be doing his balls.

grandstandjockeys · April 2015

Pie man take that flytego drifted and won wake you fool

BobbyDavis · April 2015

grandstandjockeys said:
Pie man take that flytego drifted and won wake you fool

See who rode it? Awkward!

PieMan · April 2015

Yes, that is so awkward. You've got me. What am I going to die? You must feel so tough behind your keyboard.

It's funny how everyone in "right" behind their keyboard? Your opinion means nothing to me. If you would like to change my opinion, I'll give you my address, where you won't be able to hide behind your keyboard

grandstandjockeys · April 2015

Wow look I'm
Feelin lucky drifted aswell and won pie man maybe eat a pie and have a glass of beer and chill out like you said everyone is entitled to an opinion

kittrad · April 2015

Grats on that buddy.

G'day Punter!

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