Mitchell Pateman debut

Unknown · March 2011

Heard a whisper that young Mitchell Pateman - the son of trainers Michael and Maria - will be making his riding debut next Wednesday

he is indentured to Sharon Taylor

Might be a case of hang on tight as he will be aboard the noted speedster and iron horse INTERANGE who will be having start 120

BroomeCup4Ever · March 2011

A bit like when Jarrad Noske and Michael Grantham started riding, you just assume that they have been on horses all their life and you assume that they will be able to ride.
Good luck to the young fella.... does anyone know how old he is?

Unknown · March 2011

pretty young 15 or 16 i would think

downbymathiesonroad · March 2011

The kid is 15 sits on well rides like his dad back in the day. Very hard working from wat you see down the track.

RazorSharp · March 2011

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The kid is 15 sits on well rides like his dad back in the day. Very hard working from wat you see down the track.

Backintheday how did his Dad ride?

Bondyjnr · March 2011

Good kid, very switched on keen and eager. Similar to Aaron Rogers who is very quickly making a name for himself...

Good luck mitchy

Sprintcar · March 2011

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The kid is 15 sits on well rides like his dad back in the day. Very hard working from wat you see down the track.
Backintheday how did his Dad ride?

Back in the day his dad rode pretty well, could ride anything you could cinch a saddle on to. Young Mitch will be alright, very sensible young lad.

jiga · March 2011

certainly in the blood
:D

highwayman · March 2011

Certainly keeping it in the family as well

fourleggedfriend · March 2011

All of the Pateman family are good horse people, grandpop Noel, uncles Jason and Darryn (nice double @ Barker yesterday big fella) & dad Michael.

Expect Mitchell to be no different and looking forward to seeing his career pan out ...

Good Luck to Mitchell and all concerned.

fourleggedfriend · March 2011

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All of the Pateman family are good horse people, grandpop Noel, uncles Jason and Darryn (nice double @ Barker yesterday big fella) & dad Michael.

Expect Mitchell to be no different and looking forward to seeing his career pan out ...

Good Luck to Mitchell and all concerned.

Oh, sorry to Jade and others ... you're pretty damn good as well.

Bookers · March 2011

Is it normal for apprentices to have their 1st rides in town. Would have thought it would have been safer and more beneficial for these kids to get some experience on the country and provincial tracks first.

Darrah · March 2011

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Is it normal for apprentices to have their 1st rides in town. Would have thought it would have been safer and more beneficial for these kids to get some experience on the country and provincial tracks first.

So if he had his first ride at Pinjarra Thurday that would be safer & ok ? No difference. Good luck to the young fella.

Bookers · March 2011

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Is it normal for apprentices to have their 1st rides in town. Would have thought it would have been safer and more beneficial for these kids to get some experience on the country and provincial tracks first.
So if he had his first ride at Pinjarra Thurday that would be safer & ok ? No difference. Good luck to the young fella.

I think you miss the point. You have taken from my statement only the word 'safer'. I have also used the words 'beneficial' and 'experience'. I would have thought a sysytem where these kids have 20-30 rides minimum in the country or provincial areas before they are allowed to ride in town would be more beneficial. IMO this would have given them a better idea of what competitive race riding is, of what to do in tight situations & of pace ratings, unlike just riding in barrier trials. Surely there is the added pressure of riding in 'the big smoke' on debut. That is just my opinion.

Found this on Racing NSW.

(1) With the consent of his or her master, an apprentice may be granted permission
by the Board to ride in races after the apprentice has competed in a minimum of 20 official
barrier trials to the satisfaction of the Stewards. [subrule amended 1.9.05]
(2) No apprentice is permitted to ride in any race or trial for two-year-olds until he or she has
ridden in at least 10 races.
(3) No apprentice may ride in the metropolitan area unless he or she has been assessed to be
competent to do so by Racing NSW.

Found the below on RWWA.

(1) An apprentice must have completed a minimum of 20 trial rides to the satisfaction of the Stewards before applying for a permit to ride in races.
(2) An apprentice must have ridden in at least 50 races and have obtained the permission of the Stewards before riding a 2yo or unraced horse in any race or organised trial. Where an apprentice has ridden in less than 50 races Stewards may give permission for that apprentice to ride any unraced horse, other than a 2yo, in trials provided such horse has previously trialled to the satisfaction of the Stewards.
(3) No person other than a licensed jockey or apprentice shall ride in trials without the consent of the Stewards.

Interesting the differences in riding 2yo's.

garyfin · March 2011

Agree Bookers have you whatched the replay man he could have brought the field down have a real good look the horses where touching noses I was worried for the other riders

garyfin · March 2011

Just looked it up Michael Pateman's first ride was a winner who is teaching this kid how to ride and more important to keep his fellow riders safe all I can say is uh oh

Bookers · March 2011

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Agree Bookers have you whatched the replay man he could have brought the field down have a real good look the horses where touching noses I was worried for the other riders

Yes I have. What I said was about apprentices in general. Wasn't just about young Mitchell. The kid gets called in to the stewards room after his first ride to be questioned in regards to some interference. Said he 'alleviated the pressure' once the call 'for room' came. All things that will come more naturally with more experience. I dont change my view that apprentice riders should have a minimum off rides on non-metro tracks before riding in town. The Berry twins in Sydney were not allowed to ride in town till their father (who was also their master) felt they had gained the experience on the country/provincial tracks. Taylor Lovelock-Wiggins is another recent example.

loose_goose · March 2011

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Agree Bookers have you whatched the replay man he could have brought the field down have a real good look the horses where touching noses I was worried for the other riders
Yes I have. What I said was about apprentices in general. Wasn't just about young Mitchell. The kid gets called in to the stewards room after his first ride to be questioned in regards to some interference. Said he 'alleviated the pressure' once the call 'for room' came. All things that will come more naturally with more experience. I dont change my view that apprentice riders should have a minimum off rides on non-metro tracks before riding in town. The Berry twins in Sydney were not allowed to ride in town till their father (who was also their master) felt they had gained the experience on the country/provincial tracks. Taylor Lovelock-Wiggins is another recent example.

Michael Rodd was another who did a long provincial apprenticeship with Bryan Guy over in Queensland.

Pretty average first two posts having a go at a kid just starting out Garyfin.

tony · March 2011

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Agree Bookers have you whatched the replay man he could have brought the field down have a real good look the horses where touching noses I was worried for the other riders
Yes I have. What I said was about apprentices in general. Wasn't just about young Mitchell. The kid gets called in to the stewards room after his first ride to be questioned in regards to some interference. Said he 'alleviated the pressure' once the call 'for room' came. All things that will come more naturally with more experience. I dont change my view that apprentice riders should have a minimum off rides on non-metro tracks before riding in town. The Berry twins in Sydney were not allowed to ride in town till their father (who was also their master) felt they had gained the experience on the country/provincial tracks. Taylor Lovelock-Wiggins is another recent example.
Michael Rodd was another who did a long provincial apprenticeship with Bryan Guy over in Queensland.

Pretty average first two posts having a go at a kid just starting out Garyfin.

Actually to make your point even stronger l_g I think Michael started in the northern rivers and spent time there even before going to Brian.

slipatiptome · March 2011

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Rode okay in Perth as well.

Unknown · March 2011

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Found the below on RWWA.

(1) An apprentice must have completed a minimum of 20 trial rides to the satisfaction of the Stewards before applying for a permit to ride in races.
(2) An apprentice must have ridden in at least 50 races and have obtained the permission of the Stewards before riding a 2yo or unraced horse in any race or organised trial. Where an apprentice has ridden in less than 50 races Stewards may give permission for that apprentice to ride any unraced horse, other than a 2yo, in trials provided such horse has previously trialled to the satisfaction of the Stewards.
(3) No person other than a licensed jockey or apprentice shall ride in trials without the consent of the Stewards.

Interesting the differences in riding 2yo's.

R Forrest riding a 2yo in race 1 today at Bunbury - has had only 2 rides

permission must have been granted - wouldn't happen in NSW

Found this on Racing NSW.

(1) With the consent of his or her master, an apprentice may be granted permission
by the Board to ride in races after the apprentice has competed in a minimum of 20 official
barrier trials to the satisfaction of the Stewards. [subrule amended 1.9.05]
(2) No apprentice is permitted to ride in any race or trial for two-year-olds until he or she has
ridden in at least 10 races.

Bookers · March 2011

Why have the rules...with a clause. There are plenty of apprentice joc's who could have ridden the horse. I'm sure the rule would have been put there in the first place as a safety issue. There is a major problem with the rule when the number set is 50 rides and they are allowing a joc to ride it at her 3rd ride. There is a lot of experience missing between those 2 numbers. :?

Unknown · March 2011

someone must read this website because Renee Forrest got replaced by Kyra Yuill :shock:

Unknown · April 2011

RIDING CHANGES
Race 1. Apprentice R. Forrest (Ineligible to ride LR.81B(2)) was replaced by Apprentice K. Yuill on LORD RAPTOR.

Bookers · April 2011

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RIDING CHANGES
Race 1. Apprentice R. Forrest (Ineligible to ride LR.81B(2)) was replaced by Apprentice K. Yuill on LORD RAPTOR.

Good to see.

downbymathiesonroad · April 2011

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Agree Bookers have you whatched the replay man he could have brought the field down have a real good look the horses where touching noses I was worried for the other riders

The kid rode aggressively to try and put the other horse in a pocket it Shows, He s not scared at having ago and has confidence in himself if you had money on the horse and he wasn't trying to get 1 off you would have cried for him being wide. Good luck to mitch

Bookers · April 2011

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Agree Bookers have you whatched the replay man he could have brought the field down have a real good look the horses where touching noses I was worried for the other riders

The kid rode aggressively to try and put the other horse in a pocket it Shows, He s not scared at having ago and has confidence in himself if you had money on the horse and he wasn't trying to get 1 off you would have cried for him being wide. Good luck to mitch

Firstly, I thought you had to be 2L clear before crossing. Secondly, laying in on a horse when you are a head in front is not trying to put it in a pocket. I'm happy the kid has confidence and is willing to have a go, BUT, you have to do it at the right times. This will come with experience. Good luck to him.

G'day Punter!

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