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- keep all your like posts together
- allow anyone interested to visit to view your comments in toto
- allow for all other threads to run their own course and not be sidetracked and tangented by any misaligned, maligned comments. ( this thread is a perfect example of one which is far removed from topic, thus becoming nuagtory.
Just a thought - it would be up to you to instigate it of course.
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You're not wrong about the luck at times Goose, I run an awful lot of seconds, a classic example was todays betting a moderate bet today on sino eagle at sandown second at 5bucks, Kings Palace at good odds and a tidy result 2nd at 17 bucks fixed at Sandown, good crack at Hoybell newcastle winner at 4.8 best tote, a moderate bet Bugaboo 2nd at 3.8, and a good crack at Ready On Time Ascot winner at 7 bucks something on best tote.
5 bets in total, two winners 3 seconds all bets straight out.
That could now prove to be extremely costly and its highly likely the case will now be thrown out completely as RWWA's representative have admitted that the data, that was repeatedly requested by the defense throughout the proceedings is unlikely to be available and if that happens the person involved would be within their rights to go them for loss of potential earnings and unnecessary damage to his or hers reputation.
Good news as it appears finally that RWWA have been given a rude awakening and told that kangaroo courts are no longer acceptable.
Hard to win against them when you can't obtain evidence that you're entitled to, that would prove your innocence.
I'm off to do my teeth an go to bed now Uncle Andrew....thank you for the story..I'm very tired now and will have a big sleep
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the people who train for me have never been unlucky enough to record an excessive level of TCO2. why? because they dont milkshake.
if he gets off on a technicality not too many in the industry would be pleased.
I apologise to all forum readers for my part in dragging the conversation to such a low and continually repetitive level..My bad
And I’ll work at not being so argumentative in the future..
Please leave this up this time Chris cos I am being serious..I do know better and shouldn’t get side tracked with inane arguments.
Oh and thanks for putting the thread back up..there is some good comment in it, in places.
AR Rule 175 GG
• OFFENCES
• AR.175.
The Committee of any Club or the Stewards may penalise;
• (g) Any person who gives at any inquiry or appeal any evidence which in their opinion is false or misleading in any particular.
• (gg) Any person who makes any false or misleading statement or declaration in respect of any matter in connection with the administration or control of racing.
Please explain why the vet wasn't immediately cited under this rule and why no disciplinary action has been taken against or are Racing Victoria officials who act in such a criminal manner above the Australian rules of racing???
I'm looking forward to this explanation from you as it should be a doozy, given your fondness for the enforcement of rules and regulations no matter what.
You've already stated that you consider it perfectly alright for stewards to withhold evidence for over a year that would have cleared a trainer of the charge leveled against him by proving a testing regime was inaccurate.
Fortunately the RWWA appeals board wisely considers that the time of kangaroo courts such as this are long past their use by date.
As a direct result of the action of RWWA officials the trainer in question has been unfairly denied the ability to earn his livelihood for well over a year for no reason whatsoever as he was not guilty of the offence in the first place and consistently denied the right to obtain the evidence that would have proven his innocence and the inaccuracy of the testing.
If cops do that in a court of law they not only lose their job, they go to jail, it's called perverting or attempting to pervert the course of justice.
You've already stated that you consider it perfectly alright for stewards to withhold evidence for over a year that would have cleared a trainer of the charge leveled against him by proving a testing regime was inaccurate.
Or how about you see if mummies apron strings stretch far enough for you to meet with me and we will discuss this point, cos i refuse to hijack threads with your disillusional discussions..
Oh one final thing that you still don't understand..the stewards are not the law or the police..there is a significant void in the two roles....
No, i just accept that the law at the time was imposed - even though it may have been proven flawed in later years - and continue with my life....Done it a 1000 times since but never caught...got a feeling the milkshake boy is the same, except he HAS been caught
Maybe take a look in your own backyard before you start casting aspersions upon others and by the way I'm supporting myself but I'm sure all unemployed people appreciate the fact that you consider them a soft target, I think that says a lot about your character.
By the way I'm not the one who started the personal attacks but if your going to start attacking me personally, you can expect me to well and truly return serve.
Unlike your good self I believe in standing up for what is right and the rights of hard working industry people and I've have had my eyes well and truly opened to just how many people get shafted after my own experiences while people who are in with the "right" crowd don't.
Then again maybe you don't have the same empathy, ethics and moral conviction to stand up for what is right and push for a fairer more equitable system.
Tell me how has anybody failed to present a horse to race drug free when its tested pre race and tested several points below the prescribed limits, i.e miles below, the horse was then tested 3hours after the race.
That particular testing method has since been discontinued as per warnings and recommendations from the world's leading authorities due to its proven inaccuracy and the fact that there have no studies about how horses levels are affected after a race but then again I'm sure that you know more than the world's leading authorities on the subject.
The horse was going like a busted arse, had zero support and ran according to its previous poor form, yeah that really indicates the horse was given something, not to mention the trainer was at an RWWA function at Burswood from lunchtime onwards and then went straight to GP but never let a little thing like facts get in the way of a good story.
Your resentment wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the trainer is from a harness racing background now would it, given that some not all thoroughbred people consider themselves superior to their harness racing counterparts.
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Although it does appear every time your challenged you go quite, divert the conversation, and we get yet another hard luck story of one of your very close industry friends..Put your winning tips up yet??? Been staring in this sites comp?? Or even competing???
Oh and if the readers want us to continue, just say so..I’m sick of it, but if you want it to continue I’ll play..If I get 10 likes on this comment I will respond and continue..if I get 2 dislikes I won’t respond to any of AC’s dribble again...irrespective if there are 200likes..
I’ll let this sites readers make the decision as to whether this is entertaining or not...
Oh and I will indulge you just a little bit AC, as a manager for a mining company I get paid to do a job..not clock on clock off stuff.. so if I need to work 15 hrs a day or 2 hrs a day or sometimes no hours a day that is what I do.. I also sometimes have to work through the night due to our business being worldwide. Just to clarify why I am on here so much..I spend 24/7 attached to the keyboard..the modern way of doing business..
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Just for a good measure today I've had another licensed industry person contact me in tears in regards to O'Reilly's behaviour and the fact that that he continues to get protected by RWWA and then gets off on technicalities, there will be a day of reckoning for him and it will be very soon.
Diva, you can run a book. I'll have $50 straight out on RIO, he's a scary man, especially when he's had a couple.
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thats tung in cheack
in every race, except R5, horses slipping at start - 13 in total
and this : from Race 3 :
MY DIAMOND PEG (Shaun O'Donnell) – When questioned regarding the unplaced performance, rider advised that in his opinion the filly had difficulty in keeping its momentum in the straight as a result of the long grass that prevailed at today’s meeting
-not a mention or any questions by stewards of this problem to the Club or why ....
seems like they have left the grass long to camouflage the hardness through lack of water..........and created a big problem.
Belmont Trials Monday, 8 July 2013
Stewards’ inquired into the reason for HOLD THAT VEE being presented to trial in Heat 12 as TEST FLIGHT at Belmont Official Trials on Monday 8 July 2013. Trainer Mr Dion Luciani pleaded guilty to a charge under ARR.175(k) for negligence in mistakenly presenting and trialling an incorrect runner and was subsequently fined the sum of $300.
Hey how was this allowed to happen - I though horses had to be inspected before trialling - my mates horse was scratched at lark Hill before Xmas because they couldn't read the thing
- with these 2 , one is filly and the other is a colt.