Inaccurate Race Call

Theodor · December 2013

Hey Rio, this has nothing to do with being a committeeman. IMO Macca is a top caller and he continues to be the best in the game IMO. What has that got to do with not showing respect to owners and punters? You joining your mate Damian in the goose suit? I had a runner at Esperance on Sat. The caller called it 3rd and it finished 4th and it wasn't anyone's birthday. Racing is entertainment and Macca's mention on John Wilson (seniors) birthday was a lovely touch. It did not change the outcome of the race. If this is your biggest bitch then racing is going well. There obviously hasn't been much to complain about lately.

Theodor · December 2013

Damian, you are a blight on our industry. Always negative unless it involves self promotion. I know I should not stoop to this level but only way to communicate with you. You have never bought a horse off me so why would anything change.

Theodor · December 2013

Belmont facilities are crap Youknowit. Hence why they are being replaced. Ascot is ok.

youknowit · December 2013

ASCOT FACILITIES ARE OK? IN THE COMMITTEE ROOM MAYBE. TAKE A WALK THRU THE BETTING RING AND CHECK OUT THE CARPET AND BRICK PAVING ETC. STROLL AROUND WITH EYES OPEN WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE. ITS NOT THAT GOOD EDDY.

RIO · December 2013

Theodor said:
Belmont facilities are crap Youknowit. Hence why they are being replaced. Ascot are ok.

2500 members and seating for less than 400..Ascot is inadequate..they arent crap , but definitely inadequate

Dmac not doing his job properly so that all owners and punters get the correct information is fully acceptable from time to time....not getting it right cos he is mentioning someones birthday is disrespectful, to owners and poor form for punters IMO

Theodor · December 2013

Rio, I do hear you. I think a lot of people liked his call and the mention of the birthday. Even though it has nothing to do with me or even PR, I will suggest that he waits until after the race to add entertainment. Wall to wall racing makes it hard to incorporate the human side of our industry

SLIPPERGOLDEN · December 2013

Theodor said:
Damian, you are a blight on our industry.

I don't know either you or Damien personally but that comment is a disgrace. Damian posts photos on here and on Facebook. Photos without a watermark to promote ie anybody can reproduce the pics at no cost. If that is self promotion then I am Father Christmas.

Frankly the time he dedicates and the quality of his work deserve any promotion possible.

To quote your man Dr Seuss ' You'll miss the best things if you keep your eyes shut".

PuntingTragic · December 2013

He's an amateur made tonnes of blues over the years should be called the inaccurate one

Can I do better probably can't do any worse

He called weekend shadow third the other week I had 200 a place on it yep 4th it was admittingly use but even eye could see from the members it had not run third

Just an example of dozens of howlers over many years the bloke is with the cat catchers as a caller give me Greg miles any day

Yep it's a tough gig true mistakes get made true I make em you guys make em he just makes too many as the Priemer caller in WA

thefalcon · December 2013

i was going to put my 2 bobs worth in but will keep my trap shut..as nick august used to say "an open mouth attracts flys"

i thought the gesture of lauding john wilsons 78th was great.

maybe i am biased, he won 2 perth cups for my uncle bob.

thefalcon · December 2013

jeez, you blokes are cruel....the guy calls how many races a week?

the top callers in the east at least get some time off during the week. darren can be at ascot sat, pinjarra sunday, ascot weds and bunbury thurs.

go ahead, you dudes have a go....

X(

houdini65 · December 2013

the falcon said:
i was going to put my 2 bobs worth in but will keep my trap shut..as nick august used to say "an open mouth attracts flys"

i thought the gesture of lauding john wilsons 78th was great.

maybe i am biased, he won 2 perth cups for my uncle bob.

it was almost as if he knew the winner of the race before it was run

DamienWyer · December 2013

Theodor said:

SLIPPERGOLDEN said:

Theodor said:
Damian, you are a blight on our industry.
I don't know either you or Damien personally but that comment is a disgrace. Damian posts photos on here and on Facebook. Photos without a watermark to promote ie anybody can reproduce the pics at no cost. If that is self promotion then I am Father Christmas.

Frankly the time he dedicates and the quality of his work deserve any promotion possible.

To quote your man Dr Seuss ' You'll miss the best things if you keep your eyes shut".

Thanks Slip.

Spending every Saturday on a ladder and walking around in the heat, gives me loads of time to sometimes think why do I do this. Certainly my family would prefer that I didn't as between the actual shooting of the images and the editing, it takes sometimes as much as 12 hours to process. Saturday's are a right off as a result.

So when you hear ill informed comments from someone who really should be more accountable as a member of an organisation that indirectly benefits from my patronage, you do question is it all worth it.

The short answer is no. Perth Racing by pure dumb luck, are the only game in town if you like sports photography and horse racing. As much as I would like to, the regional areas just are too difficult to cover 100% especially when I donate my time and the considerable amount of money invested in my movie and stills productions. I enjoy my time going to Northam, but after filming at 14 separate race meetings and driving around town to interview sponsors for that short film I did there last year, I thought I had given enough. I only wish Bunbury was just a bit closer, I would enjoy doing something like that as well down there but the distance makes it out of the question.

I do have a strong family commitment in coming years that will impact on my Racing photography. So when it is all said and done, comments from the likes of Eddie Rigg, only assist me in making those moves earlier rather than later.

RIO · December 2013

the falcon said:

go ahead, you dudes have a go....
X(

you keep raising this point falcon..it's his job, this is what he has chosen to do and what he gets paid to do.

i chose to be a chemical and mineral application expert..i'd suggest dmac would struggle at my job as much as i would struggle at his,,

the comment, to do his job is ridiculous.....what most of us want is for him to do his job better. if i made mistakes weekly i wouldn't have a job!!!!

thefalcon · December 2013

you must have an easy gig, rio as you spend all your time on here.... :))

RIO · December 2013

its been a good gig.................but unless i can keep being good at it, it'll be coming to an end, so mayl soon have a lot more time to be on here!!
;)

thefalcon · December 2013

thats ok, just make mrs. rio work harder..and longer... 8-X

Rodent · December 2013

All callers have their own style. Darren Macaullay is a fantastic caller who just happens to have a very bad habit. He concentrates heavily on the winner and pays very little attention to the place getters. Always has. The birthday wishes may as well have been put to air because there's no guarantee he would have got the minor placing correct anyway.

Darren could fix this in a heartbeat if he had the will. Perhaps he needs a tap on the shoulder to remind him that it is very important and his lack of application to detail in the 3rd/4th positions irks many of his listeners.

If there were competition as there was in the old days of multiple radio stations covering racing, rest assured DMac would have sorted the problem by now. Thankfully I almost always have vision of the race. On the odd occasion I must listen instead, I ignore Darren's thoughts on 3rd/4th and just have an unnecessarily anxious wait for the TAB divs to come through.

Darren, you are an excellent caller but you could be so much better.

carey · December 2013

Theodor said:
I want to know who shot Sonny Biscay? Macca's call was spot on. At the 350m mark it took off but completely imploded 100m further on. Damian you do a good job of making yourself out as a goose. No one else needs to help.

the guy is the WORST judge of how a horse is travelling in the history of horse racing.
once he says it's cantering, or it's off and gone, it then becomes tear up your ticket time.
it does not matter if this is a race caller love in, it's the truth.
he should concentrate on calling the race, and forget the stuff he habitually gets wrong.

IntoIt · December 2013

Darrens been making mistakes for years and adding his personal touches . hes not going to start apologising now. Its not going to change the result.

The divide between Damien and Theo is probably political as anything. Theyre at opposite ends of the spectrum. Not proffessional to be spatting on here though. Just read the holden site.

Try working in the horse industry to understand hot and uncomfortable every day.

I thought the photography gig was up for tender in the new year Damien.

DamienWyer · December 2013

I have been now told by a number of people, that a tender will be held in March. Many have asked me to throw my hat into the ring, as they wish to see change.

That won't be me for a couple of reasons. Firstly, any application by myself would be binned in a heartbeat by the committee of Perth Racing, such is their publicly displayed contempt for me. Secondly, I have little interest in replacing what they currently have, as the brief is uninspiring standing on a finish line.

Most importantly for me though, is that I do not wish to have any association with Perth Racing, wherein I would be beholding to them for my financial security. In all good conscious I would feel that I had caste aside my standards for the sake of a couple of bucks.

They are simply not worth that to me.

Piston_Broke · December 2013

SLIPPERGOLDEN said:
Damian, you are a blight on our industry.

I don't know either you or Damien personally but that comment is a disgrace. Damian posts photos on here and on Facebook. Photos without a watermark to promote ie anybody can reproduce the pics at no cost. If that is self promotion then I am Father Christmas.

Frankly the time he dedicates and the quality of his work deserve any promotion possible.

To quote your man Dr Seuss ' You'll miss the best things if you keep your eyes shut".

Your post is a totally different debate and not the topic intention of your original post. ;)

Piston_Broke · December 2013

to be fair Damo is always negative in his comments about Perth Racing, maybe not always but 9 from 10 posts are negative

PuntingTragic · December 2013

Yep if he brushed up on his minor places calling he would do a good job

There is a very good reason why loyld Williams watches horse racing in his luxury man cave with no sound as he reckons commentators cloud the race an as a purist he likes to watch the race

I often do the same most of us can remember colours for a few mins at home

Ffs on track you can't even hear the commentator try standing by the tables right of the mounting yard the speakers don't even work

Best way is to know your colours as a ew punter as a novelty punter use your ph for placings they beat the infield board by a good minute or more every time

Macca is not in the top 10 callers in the country an for accuracy he's a cat face the facts the history over years is there for all to hear

bookielover · December 2013

Personally, I think DM is a very good caller compared to many others.

I understand the frustration of those of you who from time to time do not have access to a T.V. and have to listen to a call. But what I can say about Darren, is that he is easy to listen to, gives a very accurate summation during the run as to how each horse is going, "over-racing", pulling hard" "travelling on the bit" etc.

I write this from the point of view of people who for whatever reason, do not have access to a TV,and can't watch the race, and have to listen on the car radio etc.

Not calling the field in the run through at the end of a race, or concentrating solely on the winner, is frankly not good enough, and no matter which caller does it, it displays a total lack of consideration for the listener as against the viewer, who has the opportunity to see his horse/horses in the run, and even if the caller doesn't get it right, can still be safe in the knowledge that the horse has run a place or fourth as the case may be.

The same applies in a photo for first, where if we are watching the race, we can get a pretty good idea if the caller has got it right or wrong. That is not available to listeners.

Bill Collins told me that he always called a race as if every listener, even if they could see the race, was blind. He wasn't just called the accurate one because he got photos correct.

The worst for cr@pping on in a race without calling the place getters was the now long gone, Ron Papps in Adelaide.

I have heard Papps in the last 300 metres of a race where the leader would be 5 in front, talk about it's breeding, tell everyone that a half brother was about to be sold at the sales in 3 months time, that the owners wife had just had a baby, and that we shouldn't forget the Penola Cup is on tomorrow.

All the while, I have sat there listening, this was before races were televised from Adelaide, quinella and trifecta tickets in hand, screaming at the radio, calling Papps all the low you know what's in the world, virtually begging him to tell me and everyone else what the fk was running second and third.

I have never forgotten what Bill Collins said, and it is a lesson that every current race caller and those that aspire to enter the profession should adopt. No, better still, they must adopt it.

Race callers will make mistakes. It's a high pressure business, and millions of dollars every day ride on the results, which is why we expect the utmost accuracy.

But race callers are human, and humans make mistakes in every facet of their lives.

I haven't noticed DM doing what has been claimed here, in that this is not the first time that he has ignored third and fourth/got it wrong/sent cheerios etc.

But if it has been an on-going problem, it is one which frankly should be easily remedied.

It is up to his employers to have a chat to him, play some of the races in question and let him know that it's not good enough for him to call races in that fashion.

And maybe, just let him know what Bill Collins approach to calling was.

SLIPPERGOLDEN · December 2013

Piston_Broke said:

SLIPPERGOLDEN said:
Damian, you are a blight on our industry.

I don't know either you or Damien personally but that comment is a disgrace. Damian posts photos on here and on Facebook. Photos without a watermark to promote ie anybody can reproduce the pics at no cost. If that is self promotion then I am Father Christmas.

Frankly the time he dedicates and the quality of his work deserve any promotion possible.

To quote your man Dr Seuss ' You'll miss the best things if you keep your eyes shut".
Your post is a totally different debate and not the topic intention of your original post. ;)

My original reply to you was based on the original topic that could have created a fresh debate still related to the original post but not the intention of the post.My comment to which you now refer was a response to a new non related topic raised by Mr T.

G-Mac · December 2013

I'm willing to wager that Bookielover has never won a competiton where you have to give an answer in "25 words or less"

bookielover · December 2013

You win the bet G-Mac :D :D

JayJay · December 2013

Good onya BL, your a good sport. Don't change a thing - enjoy your well crafted posts.

hash · December 2013

RIO said:
don't give theo any respect he isn't due slip......so many people at the club voted theo on as he was seen as a good young man that wanted to take the club forward, and to dismantle the old boys club...his response of saying mentioning someones birthday is more important than getting the race call correct, is proof that he isn't about to show the punters or owners any respect...so if it is good for him to show such a lack of respect, then treat him exactly the same way.....

oh and theo is macca paid to call races or send out cheerios???

Damien Wyer said:

Theodor said:
I want to know who shot Sonny Biscay? Macca's call was spot on. At the 350m mark it took off but completely imploded 100m further on. Damian you do a good job of making yourself out as a goose. No one else needs to help.
Eddie I haven't seen you in person for many months, yet on Saturday when I decided in the heat not to stand on a ladder promoting Racing via my photography, and take up the invitation to come to lunch with my clients, and they by chance decided to sit in the same row as you to watch their mare race, you decided to brush me. You made eye contact but you are so spineless you just ignored me.

So what sort of a small minded human being are you mate ? You are so over qualified to be a member of the Perth Racing Committee it is not funny.

Your chances of selling me a horse are as close to zero as humanely possible.

Well Jesus, this thread escalated and got well outta hand real quick [-( :O

SLIPPERGOLDEN · December 2013

Hey Piston you liked a post of mine. Did you press the wrong symbol? :D

G'day Punter!

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